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How come no one is using red-cap anymore?
I got one from him for $360 including shipping, and it seems to have no dead pixels (although it does always seem to look blueish).
Overall i'm not really impressed with the quality of the screen, and it seems like the apple cinema displays i've used have been way better.
I'm going to try a new calibration file when I get home and see if that helps. I have no calibrator myself.

They are better, only thing remarkable about theses monitors is the pixel to price ratio

Cinema displays or ultra sharp monitors etc that are made for design work will have much better colors as they are all likely over 90% color gamut whereas these are only like 70
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Ya, i think sometimes people get carried away and expect an ACD coming in the mail for $350. Not that I don't think the panels are good, but something's obviously got to give to come down to that price.
post #1163 of 6483
trulsrohk is very much incorrect. -- The Crossover 27Q Led-P has the IDENTICAL panel as the Apple 27" Cinema & Thunderbolt display, and I mean IDENTICAL.

Apple 27" Cinema & Thunderbolt display:
* S-IPS panel manufactured by LG
* Glossy finish
* 2560 x 1440 resolution
* 375cd/m2
* 1000:1 contrast
* 12 ms response time
* 16.7 million colors
* 178˚/178˚ viewing angle

Crossover 27Q Led-P:
* S-IPS panel manufactured by LG
* Glossy finish
* 2560 x 1440 resolution
* 380cd/m2
* 1000:1 contrast
* 6 ms response time
* 16.7 million colors
* 178˚/178˚ viewing angle

The only thing they don't have in common is the external finish / housing and Apple displays come with integrated USB, Thunderbolt, Mag-safe connection, and display-port connection.The actual screen is identical.

Furthermore, I'm a big Apple fanatic and I own a Macbook Pro and just sold my Cinema display -- and I can tell you the Crossover 27Q Led-P is awesome! However some buyers may receive one with some imperfections, so you always run a slight risk. Luckily the ones I received have perfect pixels and no imperfections. #winning
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Calibration is something that can fix colors that look off out of the box. Apple displays use the same LG panels. Moreover, some of these Korean monitors are using panels good enough to be rated A and A+, so they would be the same as what Apple uses. I do not understand people commenting about these panels being inferior for their price and quality - they are a huge step up from regular TN panels, and their high resolution makes their price point even more incredible. I would imagine those so-called professional graphic design users would need to calibrate their displays to perfection and use calorimeters for any monitor, if color accuracy is so important. So far, I'm continuously awed by the beauty of my Achieva display, it's color depth, and contrast.

Another thing is, most of those using computer monitors don't care how high color gamut they have for gaming and Internet browsing, but most will admit just how much of an improvement these 1440p IPS panels are over other available monitors at that price point. And if multiple raving reviews from those who already own apple screens is not a good indication that these monitors are just fine, then perhaps there's no point arguing the merits or shortcomings of these monitors without any personal experience. Who wants to pay extra $500 for slightly better color accuracy that most won't notice? I would argue almost no one.
   
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Does anyone have a calibration profile from a crossover 27Q that has a bad blue-tint problem? No matter what profile I load, it always look bad and too blue.

Maybe my macbook pro just has a bad calibration that is too yellow/orange and i've gotten used to that?
post #1166 of 6483
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Does anyone have a calibration profile from a crossover 27Q that has a bad blue-tint problem? No matter what profile I load, it always look bad and too blue.
Maybe my macbook pro just has a bad calibration that is too yellow/orange and i've gotten used to that?

Nope, I was just paying a video split between my macbook pro and the crossover 27Q and on the macbook pro a black background looks black, on the crossover 27Q is is dark blue.

***, does everyone else have this terrible blue problem?
post #1167 of 6483
Hi,

After reading through the majority of this thread, and especially with recently developments, it seems like AW is the best seller to pick from. Indeed, for the small price premium (I'm in the UK, so not that much more considering currency conversion) you'll get a guarantee of 0 stuck/dead pixels, and if you so happen to have them, they will apparently pay for return shipping. What's not to love? Perfect monitor first time around, or run the risk of having to ship one back and lose out in the end? Granted, I am very OCD about defective pixels, so paying a bit extra for peace of mind sounds worth it to me. I did ask her if she checks for tinting and backlight bleed, and she confirmed this. I did notice she was claiming to sell A+ panels, but with only one person buying them thus far, how does the guy who had a problem with this know she's lying? AW claims to be an official dealer of the brand, so they could have got A+ stock from crossover directly (which would justify the price hike). Seeing as A+ panels calibrate closer to 6500k than A- panels (the only benefit of them IMO. Too many big name brands have problems too with their supposedly perfect panels) it looks a good deal for those who are into their colour.

Also, read about some people preferring the picture of the ACD? Sure that isn't a placebo effect because of the brand or price? They're the exact same panel, and as far as I'm aware, the ACD doesn't have an increased gamut over the 27Q? Perhaps they couldn't calibrate it, and prefer the default calibration on the ACD?

I was reading about an updated version of the crossover earlier, can someone clarify that for me? Is it only the version with the extra inputs that needed updating? Is the contrast on the 27Q fine? (Planning on getting the 27Q). I heard there were some blue tint problems on the Q too, and I presume they've not been fixed? I know you can fix that with a colorimeter, but I read about some users having issues with some programs not using the colour profile that windows uses. Are those isolated incidents? I did read something about Steam not using them, but you can force it to use the colour profile.

Seems the only other issue I read about was the VESA mounting screws hitting the board - does that still happen if you use the screws that come with it? (For example, I buy an MX and use the screws that came with the crossover. No problem then?)

Finally, I read about LG releasing upgraded revision 4 panels this year. Any real benefit to them? I doubt the Korean manufacturers are using them yet, though.

I think that's everything, apologies for such a long post. I plan to order a 27Q this week. (I grabbed a Hazro months ago when they first jumped on the ship for these types of panels. Using the same enclosure as the Shimian - I was extremely disappointed with the quality and sent it back. That's why I'm going for CrossOver this time)
Edited by LC155 - 6/9/12 at 5:02am
post #1168 of 6483
I'd just like to comment on the panel grading - it is indeed confusing. Some say all of these monitors use A- panels, although I'd like to see where they get this information to state it so surely. Some sellers actually put it in their listings that their panels are A-. It could be that they are the only honest ones or that they in particular have such panels.

Some, like ta_planet, check their monitors before sending, and people have gotten A and A+ stamps on their panels. Is it placed there by the seller or manufacturer?

Finally, BCC said all the Crossover panels are "the same" from the factory, so he just checks them for defects before shipping and sends back those that are not up to par. From that and people's reports of defective monitors, I conclude that quality control is a hit or miss on these panels, and it's better to go with a seller who does the most thorough testing and has a good return policy and reputation. AW only offers perfect A+ Crossovers for $500, so it's definitely not a small premium. Their regular 27q listing does not specify panel grade. It's likely that they just pull their best monitor into a separate batch and sell them for more.
   
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Well I retract part of my statement, didn't realize was same panel as acd. Ultra sharps will definitely have better color though since those are 99% adobe color gamut

If they rly are the same as acd then, I will have to get one then, cuz that's plenty good enough for me.
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Well I retract part of my statement, didn't realize was same panel as acd. Ultra sharps will definitely have better color though since those are 99% adobe color gamut
If they rly are the same as acd then, I will have to get one then, cuz that's plenty good enough for me.

All of these displays (besides the Davi) are Q1 8bit sRGB panels. 10bit panels (adobeRGB) like the Q2 in the u2711 really only serve a practical purpose in print design work- if you use a 10bit panel in adobeRGB mode you will be seeing incorrectly translated colors from the sRGB color gamut, so pretty much everything from browsers to games will look supersaturated and incorrect without being managed. The u2711 and the like can switch between sRGB and adobeRGB via their OSD, which is not an option on these monitors.
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