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post #3941 of 6483
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Originally Posted by WalkaboutSam View Post

With the desktop set to a solid black screen, I did find some dead pixels. There are probably a dozen scattered along the right border of the screen.

You are the 3rd person in past three weeks that received the monitors from astrobile that has from one dosen to more than three dozens of stuck pixels along the right edge of the screen! This confirms my suspection that astroblie is selling defected monitors to overseas buyers and taking advantage the fact that because of the high cost of return shipping, and that these stuck pixels are not very noticeable in normal screen setting, most people would likely not bother to return these defected monitors.
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Am I bothered by the dead pixels? Not really. First of all, the pixel density of the screen is so great that you really have to make an effort to see them. I suspect the average user would never even notice. I only really found them in high contrast mode.
Second of all, I got this monitor for $300 less than the closest comparable Dell. (I've added a $50 SquareTrade warranty that covers mechanical failure for 3 years.) Frankly, I expected a few dead pixels. So long as they represent the worst problem, it's really not a problem. It's kind of like buying a new Porsche for half price and then complaining about a little scratch on the wheels.

This is exactly what I was afraid to see happening with the average buyers. This kind of behavior is what these crooks are expecting, they had just sold you a defected product and you had just talk yourself out of feeling being taken advantage of, due to the reasons I stated above, plus the "false pride" of human beings: no one likes to admit making a bad decision, or likes to feel being cheated. It's very understandable and expected, and the crooks know that very well! they had won again.

As long as people are allowing these crooks to victimize them, the crooks will continue their criminal act.
post #3942 of 6483
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Originally Posted by borgqueenx View Post

All the monitors from lightnspace are crappier it seems. Dead pixels or other problems. From bcc and AW people have reported getting no issueses at all.
As the manufactor checks these monitors for defects, i think we miss something why lighnspace delivers products with more defects.

lightnspace may be buying the monitors that didn't pass the inspection from AW wink.gif then sell them on ebay at a much cheaper price, just look at lightnspace and astrobile's price compares to all other sellers.
post #3943 of 6483
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Originally Posted by user33 View Post

You are the 3rd person in past three weeks that received the monitors from astrobile that has from one dosen to more than three dozens of stuck pixels along the right edge of the screen! This confirms my suspection that astroblie is selling defected monitors to overseas buyers and taking advantage the fact that because of the high cost of return shipping, and that these stuck pixels are not very noticeable in normal screen setting, most people would likely not bother to return these defected monitors.
This is exactly what I was afraid to see happening with the average buyers. This kind of behavior is what these crooks are expecting, they had just sold you a defected product and you had just talk yourself out of feeling being taken advantage of, due to the reasons I stated above, plus the "false pride" of human beings: no one likes to admit making a bad decision, or likes to feel being cheated. It's very understandable and expected, and the crooks know that very well! they had won again.
As long as people are allowing these crooks to victimize them, the crooks will continue their criminal act.
youre right its too suspicious now. Mail paypal or ebay and send them a message to take a look to the newest pages in this topic.
Their policy is 3 pixels dead or stuck max. They indeed sell monitors of the ****tiest batch.

This is qualified under scam. Im glad i ordered from one of the two reputable sellers.
I would be mad in your position and im glad youre making their life hard.
post #3944 of 6483
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Originally Posted by borgqueenx View Post

youre right its too suspicious now. Mail paypal or ebay and send them a message to take a look to the newest pages in this topic.
Their policy is 3 pixels dead or stuck max. They indeed sell monitors of the ****tiest batch.
This is qualified under scam. Im glad i ordered from one of the two reputable sellers.
I would be mad in your position and im glad youre making their life hard.

I did call paypal to report what I have discovered here, but paypal told me they would not do anything, unless there are unusually large number of compliant filed against a particular seller, payapl would not investigate.

I asked didn't paypal ask users to report suspicious activities, scams, etc., but she simply repeated what she had told me, that paypal would only investigate if there are unusually large number of compliant filed against a particular seller.

The seller appears to know what he is doing, but I will not stop taking action until he is stopped or he stops his criminal act.
post #3945 of 6483
With all due respect, it's not a question of 'pride' - if I had wanted a "perfect pixel" Crossover monitor I could've paid an extra $50 or so for that guarantee. Or if I had wanted a perfect pixel monitor with a 3-year manufacturer's warranty and multiple connection ports, I would've bought the Dell. Instead, I chose to purchase the least expensive Crossover on eBay. The display is working fine and it's beautiful. I am getting 99% of the Dell experience at only 50% of the cost. This works for me.

Yes, if I switch my screen to high contrast black, move my face to within 12 inches of the screen, and stare at it for a while, I can find a few dead pixels. This is simply not a problem to me. I have enough real problems in my life; I'm not going to lose sleep over a few dead pixels on a monitor with 3,686,400 pixels - lol I have more than 3.68 million pixels that are working just fine.

Now, if I had paid for a perfect pixel monitor and did not receive it, or if heaven forbid the monitor had arrived DOA, I would be very upset. Thankfully, neither happened. Maybe I got lucky. thumb.gif
post #3946 of 6483
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Originally Posted by WalkaboutSam View Post

I'm not going to lose sleep over a few dead pixels on a monitor with 3,686,400 pixels - lol I have more than 3.68 million pixels that are working just fine.
Now, if I had paid for a perfect pixel monitor and did not receive it, or if heaven forbid the monitor had arrived DOA, I would be very upset. Thankfully, neither happened. Maybe I got lucky. thumb.gif

You had paid for a monitor that is to have not more than 4 defect pixels according to the ebay "contract", and you have gotten a dozen of so of defect pixels, even though they don't bother you, you are in fact getting a lemon, why not just admit it? A defected monitor is a defected monitor, whether or not it bothers you.

Selling a monitor with more than a dozen defective pixels when advertised to have not more than 4 defective pixels, is a scam, and a scam is a criminal act.
post #3947 of 6483
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Originally Posted by user33 View Post

You had paid for a monitor that is to have not more than 4 defect pixels according to the ebay "contract", and you have gotten a dozen of so of defect pixels, even though they don't bother you, you are in fact getting a lemon, why not just admit it? A defected monitor is a defected monitor, whether or not it bothers you.
Selling a monitor with more than a dozen defective pixels when advertised to have not more than 4 defective pixels, is a scam, and a scam is a criminal act.
While this is true you dont need to push your human pride story.
I have lived 3 years with a laptop screen that has the worst colors ever. Then i temporary had a 2408wfp wich is fair but going to this will be a huge leap. The pixel density is so big that i also probaly wont care for a >few< more dead or stuck pixels. But i have my limits. Its a good upgrade and we all know we get what we pay for- thats why i paid at bcc.
If he likes a monitor that has a >for him< tiny flaw, then its okay.

Just....dont excaggerate.
post #3948 of 6483
Buy AccessoriesWhole and BigClothCraft or like me and buy from Dream-Seller and avoid all this crap and get good customer service, I avoided LightnSpace and Astrobile before I even looked at this forum. The choice is yours, don't expect to pay the least amount of money to get the top quality, we're talking about the best of the cheapest here. I took a gamble and every fortunate and happy that I received a perfect monitor, if I had received a defected one, I could only gamble the fact that I would receive good customer service and get my issue resolved, which is why I did my research for months before I ended buying one. I was reading about the overheating PCB's and other defects such as performance issues, once I knew these issues were resolved, I bought one and now I have a nice new Green PCB with no defects.
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post #3949 of 6483
I just went back and looked at the eBay listing. user33 is correct - the listing claims that more than 4 dead pixels is "faulty." However, lightnspace never claims they don't sell 'faulty' monitors. wink.gif

Honestly, I am not upset about my monitor, even though I can find a few dead pixels in high contrast mode. I'm quite pleased with it! It's a stunning improvement over my previous 1920x1080 display. Considering the alternatives from Dell & Apple, it's a fantastic bargain. (If you look around, you'll find owners of $1000 Apple monitors also complaining about dead pixels.) I wouldn't mind getting a second one of these monitors.

I just showed the display to my wife; of course she could not see any dead pixels. My guess is that 99% of the people who would view the monitor would never see the dead pixels. Heck, I can barely find them under normal circumstances, and I know they are there.

I feel that when you order one of these Korean monitors, you are taking a bit of a calculated gamble. We all know they are made from LG panels that don't make the Dell/Apple grade. My main worry has been that one day the monitor will decide not to power on at all. I am more worried about a dead screen than a dead pixel. That's why I bought the $50 SquareTrade warranty. I'll have 3 years peace of mind.

Note that I have no loyalty to lightnspace. I am just a satisfied customer (who never had reason to deal with the seller beyond the initial purchase). If there are better sellers on eBay, with better reputations, then I recommend buying from those sellers.
post #3950 of 6483
Got my 27Q LED-P delivered at the weekend. Ordered from ta_planet on eBay.

Connected it to my 17" MacBook Pro no problem.

Got 1 stuck green pixel that I can only notice when the screen is black, which, when im coding is pretty much never.

Easily just as good as my 27" iMac screen.

Just wish I could connect 2 of these bad boys to my MacBook, because I would order another in a heart beat.

(The £70 mini display port to dual dvi adapter was the only kick in the teeth!)
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