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Yes, if he wants a refund instead of a replacement, not if he simply wants what he paid for.
Try reading what I wrote before putting words in my mouth.

When did I put words in your mouth and why do you think replacement is different? If you want to have a dialog I'm open to it but all you are doing is talking trash and not supporting what you're saying with facts. I'm not guaranteeing I'm right but I'm the only one bringing facts to the table.
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Yes, if he wants a refund instead of a replacement, not if he simply wants what he paid for.
Try reading what I wrote before putting words in my mouth.

As further evidence, assuming he purchased from this listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-P-27-DVI-Computer-Monitor-QHD-2560X1440-16-9-Pivot?item=320865620246&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7600237096291704230#rpdId

He specifies specifically that the buyer pays return shipping.

His other Crossover listing also specifies this.
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Yes, an irrelevant fact that does not apply to this situation and taken out of context of a longer list of rules.

Look, I really don't have time to flip the switch that's most obviously off right now, and unlike some people, I actually have a life and things to do today which don't involve proving points which need not be proven. If you really do not or cannot see what I'm talking about, then do us both a favor: Google it. In fact, google everything I've said. Or better yet, call up eBay and ask THEM who would be responsible, given the "facts" that apply to this situation. But you've done nothing here but waste my time by picking a single statement from eBay's long list of rules and applied it here as if to debunk anything I've said (when it fact it helps it, should you bother to read the rest of their policies).

Fact: buyer is not liable if the item is received broken
Fact: Buyer in this case received item which was not intact/DOA/broken
Fact: Regardless of whether or not insurance was paid on the item, that is there to cover the seller's ass, not the buyer's
Fact: Paypal is notorious for taking the buyer's side in almost every case, whether the customer is right or not.
Fact: The only thing Decipher has to worry about is getting someone as informed as you on the phone when he calls eBay up to complain.
Fact: eBay and Paypal policies override anything written in an auction, whether it's explicitly stated that "no returns are accepted" or not. That's about the easiest Google search one can make, if you don't believe me (which I'm sure you don't, but at this point that's beyond help).

Fact: There are just some things you cannot fix.
Edited by Wage - 4/9/12 at 7:58am
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Wage, you need to calm down, buddy. You are absolutely wrong on this one. Ebay rules are clear in the sense that the buyer must return the items in order to get a full refund, at HIS EXPENSE. Then the seller MUST refund the item + shipping cost (which in this case it doesn't matter since it's already included in the price). Obviously most sellers will try to keep the customer happy and eat the $10 shipping cost when they realize it was a defective item, but in this case, it would cost the seller $100+ to do this.

The best thing to do in this case is to try to work out a deal where he partially refunds you (maybe $20-$30) and gives you in exchange a "Pixel Perfect" equivalent of what you purchased. Since those are factory checked, you have a really small chance of getting another DOA.
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Are you blind, Smash, or do you just not have any experience with commercial shipping whatsoever? I've already stated that these sellers do not pay the same shipping rates as a consumer would, and if you actually believe it costs them $100 to ship a monitor then you probably also believe that all of our tax dollars go to just causes. Who am I talking to, college students? These are basic things which apply to any small business, regardless of country, and which are essential in order for sellers of vast quantities on eBay to survive.
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post #546 of 6483
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Yes, an irrelevant fact that does not apply to this situation and taken out of context of a longer list of rules.
Look, I really don't have time to flip the switch that's most obviously off right now, and unlike some people, I actually have a life and things to do today which don't involve proving points which need not be proven. If you really do not or cannot see what I'm talking about, then do us both a favor: Google it. In fact, google everything I've said. Or better yet, call up eBay and ask THEM who would be responsible, given the "facts" that apply to this situation. But you've done nothing here but waste my time by picking a single statement from eBay's long list of rules and applied it here as if to debunk anything I've said (when it fact it helps it, should you bother to read the rest of their policies).
Fact: buyer is not liable if the item is received broken
Fact: Buyer in this case received item which was not intact/DOA/broken
Fact: Regardless of whether or not insurance was paid on the item, that is there to cover the seller's ass, not the buyer's
Fact: Paypal is notorious for taking the buyer's side in almost every case, whether the customer is right or not.
Fact: The only thing Decipher has to worry about is getting someone as informed as you on the phone when he calls eBay up to complain.
Fact: eBay and Paypal policies override anything written in an auction, whether it's explicitly stated that "no returns are accepted" or not. That's about the easiest Google search one can make, if you don't believe me (which I'm sure you don't, but at this point that's beyond help).
Fact: There are just some things you cannot fix.

I would get on eBay chat but I'm guessing even if the eBay support person agreed with me, you would just say they are wrong as well. When I asked for facts I didn't mean I wanted you to put Fact: in front of everything you're saying, I wanted you to point to an eBay policy supporting your argument. I may not be the best Googler but I have yet to find a single piece of hard evidence supporting your case.
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Are you blind, Smash, or do you just not have any experience with commercial shipping whatsoever? I've already stated that these sellers do not pay the same shipping rates as a consumer would, and if you actually believe it costs them $100 to ship a monitor then you probably also believe that all of our tax dollars go to just causes. Who am I talking to, college students? These are basic things which apply to any small business, regardless of country, and which are essential in order for sellers of vast quantities on eBay to survive.
It doesn't matter if they pay $100 or not. That's besides the point. The rule is quite simple, buyer pays to ship the item back, even in the case of a DOA.

A simple Google check will lead you to the right direction:
http://answercenter.ebay.com/question/Packaging-Shipping/Doa-Item/1000304937

If you open up a dispute, the first thing they will ask is that you send the item back. Then they'll take your side and make sure you get what you paid for back, NOT INCLUDING THE SHIPPING YOU PAID TO GET IT BACK TO THE SELLER.

That's the huge risk of purchasing items from overseas. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Not exactly rocket science, buddy.
post #548 of 6483
I didn't mean to start anything between anyone and definitely didn't mean to incite arguments among the community. My views align with those that Wage has, but I can see where everyone else is coming from.

Like I said, if it was anything but an out of box DOA, I would be more than happy to pay for shipping. In this case though, not only did I get sent a DOA, I was also told to purchase a new video card to get this monitor to work. I shouldn't have to spend an additional $150 - $200 just to get a monitor working when the page didn't say anything about incompatible video cards in the first place. Sure, I can spend $60 and pick up a 6450, but then I just spent $60 for something that's not even close to as powerful as my 470. Really? That's fair?

When it comes to selling stuff, it's best to just eat the cost sometimes. I'm not trying to exploit a hole in the system or anything close to that. The thing is, if I have to pay for shipping, I won't be purchasing another item from DS. If anyone is looking for one of these monitors, for example, I won't be recommending DS. He'll lose more than "$100" of future business since I'm a firm believer of voting with your wallet. If he pays for the return shipping, I'll remember that and tell people what a great experience it was working with him. I would even go back to purchase from him if I needed something in the future because I know that he's one of the good guys.

I'm not saying anyone's opinion is wrong; it just doesn't align with mine.
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So, aside from the massive ****-storming...

Anyone have any ides what FPS I can expect to get?

I've got an i5 2500k and CrossFireX 6950 2GB's.

I get over and about 60 FPS on full ultra now, 1920 x 1080 and 60Hz.
Edited by Sazexa - 4/9/12 at 10:44am
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Just ordered mine. I'm living in Baltimore, so we'll see how long for shipping. I'm excited!
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