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I had to make a post in this thread asking where the power button was tongue.gif

At least it I wasn't the only one !

Haha man, for a good 5-10 minutes I was bummed that I had a bad power brick or something. The PC was detecting the monitor but I couldn't get the screen to come on...so I thought maybe there was something wrong...until i watched a video of someone who had an actual power failure try to turn his on and then I realized my button was on the back.

Definitely not my brightest moment.
post #5442 of 6483
Just want to update everyone on what was wrong with my monitor. After running into repeated problems with every replacement part my seller send me, I decided instead of waiting further to take my good crossover monitor and do some part swapping (I had been hesitant to do this for fear of damaging the working monitor, but decided to proceed after much frustration). I was able to remove the green LG PCB and do a swap between the two monitors, which transferred the problem from one to the other. So I can confirm that was my culprit this whole time. I suspect one of the capacitors, which has been making a loud whine, is to blame. Hopefully my seller (who has stopped responding for about a week now, beginning immediately after I allowed my paypal case to close since they had been helpful up til that point) will finally answer me and send me the replacement part. I have however been able to find it online for $25 so I won't be completely screwed if they abandon me. Just wanted to share in case anyone else was experiencing a similar issue.
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I've been creeping on this thread for a while now since I started looking into these monitors. I bought 3 of them and I'd like to share my experience as well as ask for possible advice.

As I said, I got 3. I told myself I was buying them for gaming but I knew deep down that even with two 7970's, it just wasn't going to cut it. So far this has turned out to be true, but generally isn't a problem - I tone down the graphics settings and find a comfortable 35+FPS at med-high settings and value the eyefinity setup over the extra graphical quality, for now. This might change eventually, but I've had this setup for a few months so far.

I purchased the screens from bigclothcraft. I dealt with all the dealers while looking into the monitors and found that they were the fastest to respond and didn't really see any issues with them, other than some I felt were blown out of proportion. I ordered pixel perfect which, I know, I know, is a waste of money. That said, I saw it as extra leverage. I had just bought 3 Benq monitors at 1080p that each had 2-3 dead pixels and it was an uphill battle getting them refunded. I was persistent though thumb.gif I just didn't want to have to go through that again

I noticed almost immediately that there is a tint offset between the screens. Luckily, two of them are very similar in color. They're not perfect, but it's hardly noticeable when you're doing anything other than staring at mirrored images on the two screens. Unfortunately, the third seems overly blue. In comparison, it makes the other two screens look yellow, but I've come to the conclusion that I actually prefer the "yellow" to "blue" when they're not side by side. They're in eyefinity though so, of course, they're always side by side.

I contacted bigclothcraft about this. The color difference is pretty drastic in my opinion. Too great a difference to feel like a great eyefinity setup. Like I said, between the two yellows, there's a variance as to be expected, but it's hardly anything to fret over. The difference with the blue, however, is great enough that I believe it should have been replaced. Bigclothcraft refused me, insisting that the manufacturer had told them that it wasn't a valid return and such variable colour was "to be expected."

Now, let me be clear. I love my screens. I love 'em! But... if I could do it all again, I'd have gone with a more mainstream manufacturer, assuming I'm sticking to eyefinity. Thankfully I can put the two yellows on the outside and the blue on the inside and have symmetry, but I specifically bought 3 of the same brand of the same model so that I wouldn't have this problem. I'm genuinely disappointed with bigclothcraft and this practice. They could easily resell the monitor to someone only buying one, and they probably wouldn't even notice there's anything wrong. Maybe that's the definition of whether it's a "defect" but I don't think it's the right way to treat someone who just spent +$1200 on your product. I left negative feedback and got asked to change it. I got my hopes up thinking they were willing to negotiate, but they refused and so did I.

I did all I could to try to calibrate the monitor. Spent most of my free time for the first month after getting the monitors doing just that and never got it right. THEN I realized that all my approximations were for naught. Once eyefinity is enabled, as far as I can tell, there is no way to calibrate each monitor individually. If it were possible to properly calibrate these with a spyder or related device, I would happily purchase one, but it seems unlikely. Any suggestions on this front?

So, there you have it. My experiences and gripes with the 27Q. I purchased the LED-P model, which I believe is the one to have if you're picking up eyefinity. It just makes way more sense to have them in portrait 90% of the time, the only exception I can think of off the top of my head being racing games. Also, despite bigclothcraft's quick responses, which were almost always within 24 hours, I can't recommend them.

TL;DR

I don't like bigclothcraft's return policy. One of 3 monitors was too blue and causes eyefinity to lose effect, couldn't be returned. Love the monitors anyway. Portrait eyefinity makes way more sense at these resolutions. Any suggestions for calibrating individual monitors in eyefinity?
Edited by Crona - 3/29/13 at 4:22pm
post #5444 of 6483
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Originally Posted by Crona View Post

I've been creeping on this thread for a while now since I started looking into these monitors. I bought 3 of them and I'd like to share my experience as well as ask for possible advice.

As I said, I got 3. I told myself I was buying them for gaming but I knew deep down that even with two 7970's, it just wasn't going to cut it. So far this has turned out to be true, but generally isn't a problem - I tone down the graphics settings and find a comfortable 35+FPS at med-high settings and value the eyefinity setup over the extra graphical quality, for now. This might change eventually, but I've had this setup for a few months so far.

I purchased the screens from bigclothcraft. I dealt with all the dealers while looking into the monitors and found that they were the fastest to respond and didn't really see any issues with them, other than some I felt were blown out of proportion. I ordered pixel perfect which, I know, I know, is a waste of money. That said, I saw it as extra leverage. I had just bought 3 Benq monitors at 1080p that each had 2-3 dead pixels and it was an uphill battle getting them refunded. I was persistent though thumb.gif I just didn't want to have to go through that again

I noticed almost immediately that there is a tint offset between the screens. Luckily, two of them are very similar in color. They're not perfect, but it's hardly noticeable when you're doing anything other than staring at mirrored images on the two screens. Unfortunately, the third seems overly blue. In comparison, it makes the other two screens look yellow, but I've come to the conclusion that I actually prefer the "yellow" to "blue" when they're not side by side. They're in eyefinity though so, of course, they're always side by side.

I contacted bigclothcraft about this. The color difference is pretty drastic in my opinion. Too great a difference to feel like a great eyefinity setup. Like I said, between the two yellows, there's a variance as to be expected, but it's hardly anything to fret over. The difference with the blue, however, is great enough that I believe it should have been replaced. Bigclothcraft refused me, insisting that the manufacturer had told them that it wasn't a valid return and such variable colour was "to be expected."

Now, let me be clear. I love my screens. I love 'em! But... if I could do it all again, I'd have gone with a more mainstream manufacturer, assuming I'm sticking to eyefinity. Thankfully I can put the two yellows on the outside and the blue on the inside and have symmetry, but I specifically bought 3 of the same brand of the same model so that I wouldn't have this problem. I'm genuinely disappointed with bigclothcraft and this practice. They could easily resell the monitor to someone only buying one, and they probably wouldn't even notice there's anything wrong. Maybe that's the definition of whether it's a "defect" but I don't think it's the right way to treat someone who just spent +$1200 on your product. I left negative feedback and got asked to change it. I got my hopes up thinking they were willing to negotiate, but they refused and so did I.

I did all I could to try to calibrate the monitor. Spent most of my free time for the first month after getting the monitors doing just that and never got it right. THEN I realized that all my approximations were for naught. Once eyefinity is enabled, as far as I can tell, there is no way to calibrate each monitor individually. If it were possible to properly calibrate these with a spyder or related device, I would happily purchase one, but it seems unlikely. Any suggestions on this front?

So, there you have it. My experiences and gripes with the 27Q. I purchased the LED-P model, which I believe is the one to have if you're picking up eyefinity. It just makes way more sense to have them in portrait 90% of the time, the only exception I can think of off the top of my head being racing games. Also, despite bigclothcraft's quick responses, which were almost always within 24 hours, I can't recommend them.

TL;DR

I don't like bigclothcraft's return policy. One of 3 monitors was too blue and causes eyefinity to lose effect, couldn't be returned. Love the monitors anyway. Portrait eyefinity makes way more sense at these resolutions. Any suggestions for calibrating individual monitors in eyefinity?
Variable colour... is to be expected. With any monitor, from any company, reputable or not.
post #5445 of 6483
So after a couple weeks and returning a scratched panel due to DHL's negligence I now have my replacement monitor. Once the old one made it back to S. Korea the new one made it here in only 2 days! Incredible! It's the CrossOver 27Q LED-P pivot model. It is completely perfect!

I ordered the standard version, and it just so happens that it's "pixel perfect". No dead or stuck pixels, and excellent light uniformity. I will be ordering 2 more to replace my other monitors smile.gif

I ordered mine from green-sum and they were very easy to deal with, and covered all of the return shipping and claims logistics with DHL. It sucks that I had to wait so long, but it's not the dealer's fault. DHL ended up fixing the mistake and I am completely happy now. I recommend that dealer for excellent customer support & extremely fast shipping!.
post #5446 of 6483
Hmm a question for you guys. I intend (eventually) to try to do an eyefinity display with 3 monitors. Currently my videocard has only 1 dual DVI port and 2 mini display ports (and an hdmi). The question I have is, is it worth getting the MDP model (I think that's the one with Minidisplay with Pivot) or just the 27Q LED-P with an active MDP to Dual DVI adapter. From the prices I've seen the adapters in question seem rather expensive (around 90 bucks unless you guys know of a better deal) and seem questionable, but does anyone have any good experience with the MDP version. Past 100 pages I read mostly detailed the 270Q.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Crona View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I've been creeping on this thread for a while now since I started looking into these monitors. I bought 3 of them and I'd like to share my experience as well as ask for possible advice.

As I said, I got 3. I told myself I was buying them for gaming but I knew deep down that even with two 7970's, it just wasn't going to cut it. So far this has turned out to be true, but generally isn't a problem - I tone down the graphics settings and find a comfortable 35+FPS at med-high settings and value the eyefinity setup over the extra graphical quality, for now. This might change eventually, but I've had this setup for a few months so far.

I purchased the screens from bigclothcraft. I dealt with all the dealers while looking into the monitors and found that they were the fastest to respond and didn't really see any issues with them, other than some I felt were blown out of proportion. I ordered pixel perfect which, I know, I know, is a waste of money. That said, I saw it as extra leverage. I had just bought 3 Benq monitors at 1080p that each had 2-3 dead pixels and it was an uphill battle getting them refunded. I was persistent though thumb.gif I just didn't want to have to go through that again

I noticed almost immediately that there is a tint offset between the screens. Luckily, two of them are very similar in color. They're not perfect, but it's hardly noticeable when you're doing anything other than staring at mirrored images on the two screens. Unfortunately, the third seems overly blue. In comparison, it makes the other two screens look yellow, but I've come to the conclusion that I actually prefer the "yellow" to "blue" when they're not side by side. They're in eyefinity though so, of course, they're always side by side.

I contacted bigclothcraft about this. The color difference is pretty drastic in my opinion. Too great a difference to feel like a great eyefinity setup. Like I said, between the two yellows, there's a variance as to be expected, but it's hardly anything to fret over. The difference with the blue, however, is great enough that I believe it should have been replaced. Bigclothcraft refused me, insisting that the manufacturer had told them that it wasn't a valid return and such variable colour was "to be expected."

Now, let me be clear. I love my screens. I love 'em! But... if I could do it all again, I'd have gone with a more mainstream manufacturer, assuming I'm sticking to eyefinity. Thankfully I can put the two yellows on the outside and the blue on the inside and have symmetry, but I specifically bought 3 of the same brand of the same model so that I wouldn't have this problem. I'm genuinely disappointed with bigclothcraft and this practice. They could easily resell the monitor to someone only buying one, and they probably wouldn't even notice there's anything wrong. Maybe that's the definition of whether it's a "defect" but I don't think it's the right way to treat someone who just spent +$1200 on your product. I left negative feedback and got asked to change it. I got my hopes up thinking they were willing to negotiate, but they refused and so did I.

I did all I could to try to calibrate the monitor. Spent most of my free time for the first month after getting the monitors doing just that and never got it right. THEN I realized that all my approximations were for naught. Once eyefinity is enabled, as far as I can tell, there is no way to calibrate each monitor individually. If it were possible to properly calibrate these with a spyder or related device, I would happily purchase one, but it seems unlikely. Any suggestions on this front?

So, there you have it. My experiences and gripes with the 27Q. I purchased the LED-P model, which I believe is the one to have if you're picking up eyefinity. It just makes way more sense to have them in portrait 90% of the time, the only exception I can think of off the top of my head being racing games. Also, despite bigclothcraft's quick responses, which were almost always within 24 hours, I can't recommend them.

TL;DR

I don't like bigclothcraft's return policy. One of 3 monitors was too blue and causes eyefinity to lose effect, couldn't be returned. Love the monitors anyway. Portrait eyefinity makes way more sense at these resolutions. Any suggestions for calibrating individual monitors in eyefinity?

you should be using color profiles found in this thread too. any manufacturer can have this problem. don't forget these monitors are the same identical one apple uses from LG.
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Originally Posted by kevinsbane View Post

Variable colour... is to be expected. With any monitor, from any company, reputable or not.

I completely agree but they shouldn't look like different panels. There's a variable color between the two more similar monitors. They're not perfect and I spent a lot of time trying to match those two. Compared to the third monitor which pulls you out of the experience, the difference is barely noticeable. I can try to get some pictures but, as with a lot of things, it might be something you just have to see for yourself. Multiple people have walked in, sat down, and immediately said "why is the color so different in the middle?"
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you should be using color profiles found in this thread too. any manufacturer can have this problem. don't forget these monitors are the same identical one apple uses from LG.

Tried them out. Unfortunately, because there's already an offset, the profiles don't make them match one another any more than they already do. Some profiles make the problem worse. Assuming I could find profiles that fixed the coloration, do you know any ways to apply them across 3 screens in eyefinity? As far as I'm aware, it's not possible. You're running Nvidia, maybe Nvidia has a fix for this? After shelling out for two 7970's I can't really afford the Nvidia cards it would take to power these things.

I know they're from the same batches, but Apple probably has more specs than just "no dead pixels" for their monitors. There's likely some level of color reproduction LG has to match to be given to Apple.
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Hmm a question for you guys. I intend (eventually) to try to do an eyefinity display with 3 monitors. Currently my videocard has only 1 dual DVI port and 2 mini display ports (and an hdmi). The question I have is, is it worth getting the MDP model (I think that's the one with Minidisplay with Pivot) or just the 27Q LED-P with an active MDP to Dual DVI adapter. From the prices I've seen the adapters in question seem rather expensive (around 90 bucks unless you guys know of a better deal) and seem questionable, but does anyone have any good experience with the MDP version. Past 100 pages I read mostly detailed the 270Q.

Thanks

I'll assume you already know the build differences between the two models (plastic vs steel, pivot vs swivel etc)

They should all be the same IPS panel so as far as that's concerned you shouldn't notice any differences between the models.

I haven't done much research into MDP, so I'm not sure if the display port connection supports the full resolution of the monitor, but I don't see why it wouldn't. I bought 2 active MDP->DVI-DL adapters on the cheap and I've had nothing but problems. I'm constantly reaching back and re-seating the USB plugs to reset the adapter. This mostly only happens when changing resolutions or booting into games. Chances are that's because they're cheap though.

The reason I went with LED-P was for the pivot. I've found that in most situations, having these monitors in portrait makes more sense. In landscape the "screen" is so wide that I basically use the outside monitors as peripheral vision. In portrait, it fills your vision with everything in view.

In hindsight, I'd have picked up 3 name brand monitors with DP inputs for eyefinity. Mainly because my monitors have a pretty significant color variation that detracts from the eyefinity effect. That said, if you have your heart set on crossover (and if you're in this thread, you probably do, just like me) my suggestion would be to buy 3 MDP crossovers and use the money you saved to pick up a monitor stand like the Ergotron MX . You'll probably end up spending a bit more but you won't have to deal with adapters and you'll have a much better stand capable of pivot.
Edited by Crona - 3/30/13 at 9:33pm
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Any manufacturer can get discolouration or tinting but do not overlook that when you buy a premium panel you're not likely to get a panel with heavy tinting and when you do, you can have it replaced.

These Korean displays are likely to have discolouration as they are generally not A+ panels.

To fix the off colour you will need to manually calibrate it in the nvidia/catalyst control panel or buy/borrow/rent a colorimeter and properly calibrate it..
 
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I've been creeping on this thread for a while now since I started looking into these monitors. I bought 3 of them and I'd like to share my experience as well as ask for possible advice.

As I said, I got 3. I told myself I was buying them for gaming but I knew deep down that even with two 7970's, it just wasn't going to cut it. So far this has turned out to be true, but generally isn't a problem - I tone down the graphics settings and find a comfortable 35+FPS at med-high settings and value the eyefinity setup over the extra graphical quality, for now. This might change eventually, but I've had this setup for a few months so far.

I purchased the screens from bigclothcraft. I dealt with all the dealers while looking into the monitors and found that they were the fastest to respond and didn't really see any issues with them, other than some I felt were blown out of proportion. I ordered pixel perfect which, I know, I know, is a waste of money. That said, I saw it as extra leverage. I had just bought 3 Benq monitors at 1080p that each had 2-3 dead pixels and it was an uphill battle getting them refunded. I was persistent though thumb.gif I just didn't want to have to go through that again

I noticed almost immediately that there is a tint offset between the screens. Luckily, two of them are very similar in color. They're not perfect, but it's hardly noticeable when you're doing anything other than staring at mirrored images on the two screens. Unfortunately, the third seems overly blue. In comparison, it makes the other two screens look yellow, but I've come to the conclusion that I actually prefer the "yellow" to "blue" when they're not side by side. They're in eyefinity though so, of course, they're always side by side.

I contacted bigclothcraft about this. The color difference is pretty drastic in my opinion. Too great a difference to feel like a great eyefinity setup. Like I said, between the two yellows, there's a variance as to be expected, but it's hardly anything to fret over. The difference with the blue, however, is great enough that I believe it should have been replaced. Bigclothcraft refused me, insisting that the manufacturer had told them that it wasn't a valid return and such variable colour was "to be expected."

Now, let me be clear. I love my screens. I love 'em! But... if I could do it all again, I'd have gone with a more mainstream manufacturer, assuming I'm sticking to eyefinity. Thankfully I can put the two yellows on the outside and the blue on the inside and have symmetry, but I specifically bought 3 of the same brand of the same model so that I wouldn't have this problem. I'm genuinely disappointed with bigclothcraft and this practice. They could easily resell the monitor to someone only buying one, and they probably wouldn't even notice there's anything wrong. Maybe that's the definition of whether it's a "defect" but I don't think it's the right way to treat someone who just spent +$1200 on your product. I left negative feedback and got asked to change it. I got my hopes up thinking they were willing to negotiate, but they refused and so did I.

I did all I could to try to calibrate the monitor. Spent most of my free time for the first month after getting the monitors doing just that and never got it right. THEN I realized that all my approximations were for naught. Once eyefinity is enabled, as far as I can tell, there is no way to calibrate each monitor individually. If it were possible to properly calibrate these with a spyder or related device, I would happily purchase one, but it seems unlikely. Any suggestions on this front?

So, there you have it. My experiences and gripes with the 27Q. I purchased the LED-P model, which I believe is the one to have if you're picking up eyefinity. It just makes way more sense to have them in portrait 90% of the time, the only exception I can think of off the top of my head being racing games. Also, despite bigclothcraft's quick responses, which were almost always within 24 hours, I can't recommend them.

TL;DR

I don't like bigclothcraft's return policy. One of 3 monitors was too blue and causes eyefinity to lose effect, couldn't be returned. Love the monitors anyway. Portrait eyefinity makes way more sense at these resolutions. Any suggestions for calibrating individual monitors in eyefinity?

nVidia handles color profiling the same way as AMD it appears then since when I had my 3 1440p monitors I had a crossover that was overly blue, one that was overly yellow, and my apple which was already calibrated to correct temp. When surround is activated you can only use one color profile for all three like AMD unless you want to activate all displays for desktop/software usage and then change into surround for gaming only. It's an extra hoop to jump through but it may be worth it since the temp will be most noticeable on desktop usage and not so much as say peripheral view during gaming.
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