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>mfw this whole thread. Did anyone actually READ the article?

:l
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>mfw this whole thread. Did anyone actually READ the article?
:l

Nope. Not even the first sentence of the quote. They read the title, posted. I guess I overestimated the capabilities of the denizens of the OCN news section.


I'm saying they're not very smart.
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Gotta love all the responses implying that the word CAME from internet culture (and not a scientist) in the first place.
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Nope. Not even the first sentence of the quote. They read the title, posted. I guess I overestimated the capabilities of the denizens of the OCN news section.
I'm saying they're not very smart.

Not all of us are like them though!

Anyways. In terms of the paper when they say:
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Firstly, the paper suggests that although memes may not be quantifiable, the traces of the neural processes involved in memetic replication and storage within the central nervous system (CNS) are measurable.

They're saying that specific brain patterns are perceived through groups (as in more than 1) of their subjects? That's extremely interesting if I'm reading this right because I would have though that everyone would have a different reaction and thus a different pattern.
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They're saying that specific brain patterns are perceived through groups (as in more than 1) of their subjects? That's extremely interesting if I'm reading this right because I would have though that everyone would have a different reaction and thus a different pattern.

Yay, intelligence!

Reactions in the prefrontal cortex, where most of conscious thought takes place, are different from person to person. But reactions in mirror neurons are almost the same in most people. You can experience this directly. Watch someone performing a common physical action, like lifting a box. You'll feel your muscles not quite start to tense in the way that they would if it was you lifting the box. Or when listening to someone sing, your throat may not quite imitate the throat actions required to sing along. This is your mirror neurons acting. They receive the data that someone or something is performing a given task, then compute what actions it would take for you to perform that task, and give those actions at a sub-actionable level. This sets the foundation for learning, and is potentially the foundation of all culture, with clear potential pathways for this to give rise to language, cooperation among individuals, and the golden rule (due unto others as you would have them do unto you). It's really quite amazing.
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Yay, intelligence!

And it's from the high schooler too lol
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Reactions in the prefrontal cortex, where most of conscious thought takes place, are different from person to person. But reactions in mirror neurons are almost the same in most people. You can experience this directly. Watch someone performing a common physical action, like lifting a box. You'll feel your muscles not quite start to tense in the way that they would if it was you lifting the box. Or when listening to someone sing, your throat may not quite imitate the throat actions required to sing along. This is your mirror neurons acting. They receive the data that someone or something is performing a given task, then compute what actions it would take for you to perform that task, and give those actions at a sub-actionable level. This sets the foundation for learning, and is potentially the foundation of all culture, with clear potential pathways for this to give rise to language, cooperation among individuals, and the golden rule (due unto others as you would have them do unto you). It's really quite amazing.

That's really amazing indeed. I never really noticed that before but thinking back on it I kind of do feel myself imitating people without actually imitating people. But I guess it makes sense that-that's how we would learn is by imitation as babies, but it raises a question for me: As we age and get set into our ways do the mirror neurons begin to die off/slow down/become less active?
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Yay, intelligence!
And it's from the high schooler too lol
That's really amazing indeed. I never really noticed that before but thinking back on it I kind of do feel myself imitating people without actually imitating people. But I guess it makes sense that-that's how we would learn is by imitation as babies, but it raises a question for me: As we age and get set into our ways do the mirror neurons begin to die off/slow down/become less active?

I don't know! Maybe someone's done research on it? If not they need to do so quick! I'll look through my back copies of Scientific American: MIND and see if I can see something like that mentioned, although SA is usually 6-18 months behind the cutting edge research. Better than Discover or Popular Mechanics though; they're only just publishing stories that I read in Scientific American 3-4 years ago.
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that is way to long for me to read being this tired....
 
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I'm just saying there are PLENTY of projects we can invest in before this. Understanding ourselves is important, but I'd like to live in a world where our bodies are capable of living to a ripe old age. Look at the state of healthcare today. OK, maybe not healthcare, but our actual physical health. OK, maybe just the United States healthcare (I said healthcare a lot). I don't like Americans frown.gif

We should understand our bodies first, so we can live long enough to experience these wonderful noodles we have up there smile.gif

It's also a common thought in all humans that having input that is called a "wall of stupid" won't increase the likely hood of future intelligent posts. Saying "read the article first" would be less detrimental, while a well placed emoticon would handle the disappointment.
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I don't know! Maybe someone's done research on it? If not they need to do so quick! I'll look through my back copies of Scientific American: MIND and see if I can see something like that mentioned, although SA is usually 6-18 months behind the cutting edge research. Better than Discover or Popular Mechanics though; they're only just publishing stories that I read in Scientific American 3-4 years ago.

Do it! This is now relevant to my interests!
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