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I wouldn't even put that much weight on the TPU review. For some dumb reason they figured that using a 3.8GHz i7 920 would be okay for testing a card of this caliber. C'mon TPU at least use a 4.8GHz 2600K or something...
It's been shown in many reviews (see [H] ones, especially ones with SLI vs. CFX) that Nvidia GPUs require a bit more CPU power if you want to get the most out of your card(s)

I'd argue that the 3.8GHz i7 920 is much more representative of the CPU power in the typical high-end gaming PC than a 4.8GHz 2600k.

Most gamers do not OC, and no stock CPU is dramatically faster than a 3.8GHz i7 920 in gaming, not yet.

I think it's good that there are a variety of configurations across these reviews, so we can see things like how the CPU is influencing performance.
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Thats not true anymore. It hasn't been that way since 480 Geforce cards. Its not necessarily a "bottleneck" per-se has to do with the amount of multi-threading not going on. A lot of games use one or two cores, which also includes data going to the GPUs. GTX 580s benefit up to 4.8GHz on 2500/2600Ks, even in single card system....... statuses. Geforce seems to be able to take in a ton of data, while CPU overclocks on AMDs have been shown negated, even hurting performance sometimes. We only see the trend/correlation, we do not know exactly the cause. Putting it bluntly, Geforce cards increase in performance the faster your CPU IPC / IPS is.
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E: and again it's mostly the GeForce cards seeing benefits from moar CPU. If the 7970 is showing differences then I wonder what happens with the 680.

Yeah, doing the percentages on a small-scale bar graph is cute. Especially when you include a bunch of terribly optimized games in the trials. (lol @ CIV5)That's not a bottleneck, that's the title. Now look at what's actually happening.

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I wouldn't even put that much weight on the TPU review. For some dumb reason they figured that using a 3.8GHz i7 920 would be okay for testing a card of this caliber. C'mon TPU at least use a 4.8GHz 2600K or something...
It's been shown in many reviews (see [H] ones, especially ones with SLI vs. CFX) that Nvidia GPUs require a bit more CPU power if you want to get the most out of your card(s)

I'd argue that the 3.8GHz i7 920 is much more representative of the CPU power in the typical high-end gaming PC than a 4.8GHz 2600k.

Most gamers do not OC, and no stock CPU is dramatically faster than a 3.8GHz i7 920 in gaming, not yet.

I think it's good that there are a variety of configurations across these reviews, so we can see things like how the CPU is influencing performance.

True but it doesn't paint/display the GPU features. You also have to account for advancement in technology vs. the advancement of software. We are seeing signs of both GPUs "bottlenecked" or matching each. Some may argue with validity that's a sign of the testing setup holding back both GPUs, its a legitimate concern until proven otherwise. My own data says its an issue. I think we its getting pretty close (much like the disclaimer is on Memory speeds above CPU IMC) actual performance not guaranteed, overclocking is necessary to get achieved advertised performance.

Also consider the fact that this a 500$ GPU, that most "gamers" also don't buy.
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True but it doesn't paint/display the GPU features. You also have to account for advancement in technology vs. the advancement of software. We are seeing signs of both GPUs "bottlenecked" or matching each. Some may argue with validity that's a sign of the testing setup holding back both GPUs, its a legitimate concern until proven otherwise. My own data says its an issue. I think we its getting pretty close (much like the disclaimer is on Memory speeds above CPU IMC) actual performance not guaranteed, overclocking is necessary to get achieved advertised performance.
Also consider the fact that this a 500$ GPU, that most "gamers" also don't buy.

You know I'd be really curious on how many GPU's they actually sell that this level of performance. I really have no idea. Like how many GTX 580s were sold since it's release? Those would be interesting numbers.
    
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Yeah, doing the percentages on a small-scale bar graph is cute. Especially when you include a bunch of terribly optimized games in the trials. (lol @ CIV5)That's not a bottleneck, that's the title. Now look at what's actually happening.
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Everyone already knows that BF3 is especially GPU dependent even among GPU intensive games. I'd rather look at the big picture, rather than one game. And My original point was that I wouldn't put that much faith in those TPU average graphs, which makes sense because they too have these CPU bound games, and badly coded stuff. It's not BF3 only in the final results.

Still holding on to my point that using a CPU that even might hinder the performance of the 680 (and the 7970) might skew the results somewhat.

As blameless said though, it's probably more representative of the average high end gaming PC, but still I'd prefer to have no CPU bottleneck when running tests on cards like these.
 
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Inst the CPU review with CPU @ Stock?
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You know I'd be really curious on how many GPU's they actually sell that this level of performance. I really have no idea. Like how many GTX 580s were sold since it's release? Those would be interesting numbers.

I don't actually agree with the whole only enthusiasts build their own computers. This younger generation is much more in touch with technology than my generation. Most just lack funding and experience.

Plus on a website like this, majority of us would be willing to buy the high end if we had the liquid capital for it.

I will say this, I bet cash money, that the 550,560,570 sales number are beyond comparison to the total sales figures of the mighty 580.

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Yeah, doing the percentages on a small-scale bar graph is cute. Especially when you include a bunch of terribly optimized games in the trials. (lol @ CIV5)That's not a bottleneck, that's the title. Now look at what's actually happening.

I am not sure why you are quoting me.

Secondly, you would gain about 10~15% more performance in your personal setup switching to an 2500K / P67. Without overclocking it. This has been proven countless time by reviewers. I myself have had the 1090T, 980x, and 2600K in the last 2 years. Not sure why you think this isn't true. I also have experience in benchmarking both 5760x1080 and 2560x1600.

Furthermore, we all have personal experience with the Geforces improving consistently with CPU overclock. The Geforces of 4xx+ generation will render almost as much data as you feed them. Even up till 2560x1600 and 5760x1080. This greatly depends on the title in question as well. DX9/10 titles benefit the most while DX11 titles are much harder to "push" as it were and are able to bottleneck the GPU on both sides in that resolution.
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Every bench should be run at 5Ghz to completely eliminate these types of questions, making there no doubt in a CPU bottleneck. We're not looking for a review of the GPU in a "common system". We want a review of unhindered, unaltered performance.
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VR-ZONE conclusion:
''We're pretty sure that most (sanctioned) reviews that you'll read on the Internet today will unashamely proclaim that the GTX 680 is the best single card around, but the truth is most users who buy these cards are going to overclock their cards to the limit and then both Nvidia and AMD flagships are going to trade wins at the top. The lackluster compute performance and inferior memory bandwidth will hurt the GTX 680 in multi-screen, maxed out image quality, high end gaming.''

Even if this is true, Nvidia's card is using less power and costs $50 less. Until AMD make's some price adjustments I'd have problems recommending a 7970 over a gtx680 to someone unless they are planning at running at resolutions where 2gb might be a limitation.
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