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Then you clearly missed the original point of why I posted those. Carry on.
Bottom line is, the 680 IS faster, I don't know why guys are trying to down play it so much. ( Looks at your sig rig, makes perfect sense )

His post said the 680 was faster?

What are you trying to prove no one said otherwise?
    
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Too big to repost

There are a few flaws with your post.

As jtom320 posted, the Skyrim graph is absolutely absurd. You're comparing Nvidia's proprietary AA techniques to Supersampling AA on the AMD card. Of course the HD 7970 is going to lose... SSAA is a performance-killing demon for hardware-based AA. The metric of measurement is so flawed that I cannot help but laugh at people that use it as a metric for proving how "powerful" the GTX 680 is. Use similar AA techniques, such as FXAA or MLAA, and see what the difference is. I bet it is very little.

As for the rest of the graphs (which are handpicked), all of those deficiencies can be overcome by a small 10% overclock for the HD 7970. Remember, the HD 7970's stock is 925mhz, and it can almost always do 1200mhz+ on stock volts, so a 10% overclock is nothing compared to what the HD 7970 is capable of.

Power consumption

Every review that I have read has used OCCT, furmark, or some other "stress test" as a means for measuring power consumption. Has it ever occured to any of you that the GTX 680 might have something that makes the card throttle its power usage back? I realized that one very quickly, and have a graph to counter the power consumption claims.

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link to graph in the article

The program that was used for this test is 3DMark 2011. It's a large graph, but look at the part of the graph for "AMD HD 7970 3GB." That card, at load, uses 60-watts less power in this test. This very clearly proves that the GTX 680 is in full turbo on this benchmark, and thus, power consumption for the card is also way up. That's why nvidia's power usage claims are such a laugh. In real world usage, the HD 7970 actually uses LESS power. I would love it if someone could get ahold of a GTX 680 and HD 7970, run the same test, and verify these results. I don't think TT has any reason to lie about this, though. They gave the GTX 680 an amazing review and recommendation.

EDIT: for reference, the findings of tom's hardware confirms what TweakTown posted:

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The price will come down on the HD 7970. For now, the GTX 680 is the clear victor.

AMD will have better drivers in a couple months too, so it's sort of a moot point.

As for tessellation, I can't really argue with that. However, I want to see tessellation performance in a game, not a benchmark. If it truly makes that much of a difference, then so be it. The GTX 680 is again the clear victor.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 3/22/12 at 8:13pm
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Then you clearly missed the original point of why I posted those.
Bottom line is, the 680 IS faster, I don't know why guys are trying to down play it so much. ( Looks at your sig rig, makes perfect sense )

Well personally i'm not downplaying it, thats why I bought 2 680's which are arriving tomorrow. However, when comparing max oc'ed 680s to max oc'ed 7970s, the 7970 matches or beats the 680 - i'm guessing the 680 has less leeway for oc scaling due to gpu boost. Further, 680s are rumored to have a digitally signed bios that does not allow voltage modding (per wizzard at TPU). So the difference is not as black and white unless you're running stock speeds. Once you OC both cards, they're about even with each respective card winning half the tests or being dead even.

With all that siad, there's definitely no reason as a new purchaser to get a 7970 until AMD lowers prices. I tip my hat to nvidia though, the 680 is a seriously awesome card.

Citation: see max OC benchmarks at hardware.fr.
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Looks like to me, Nvidia wins because of driver performance, not architecture/compute performance.
Good to get AMD in a tough spot though. I wanna see a cheap 7970.
Yeah, but it's not. The $500 price tag puts it out of reach of EVERY mainstream gamer. $200 cards are mid-high mainstream cards. $500+ cards are flagship cards. While the GTX680 looks to be an improvement, and certainly a step in the right direction for Nvidia, it's still a bit disappointing. What happened to all that talk about 30% increase over the 7970?

This.


All the talk about the GTX 680 being a Mid ranged card,
How can people believe that? $500 for mainstream card.
I honestly don't think so.

I'll wait for the AMD Price drop before I make my decision.
$650ish for GTX 680 in Australia, makes it cheaper than SOME 7970s.
Not all of them, We'll see nVidia
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Well personally i'm not downplaying it, thats why I bought 2 680's which are arriving tomorrow. However, when comparing max oc'ed 680s to max oc'ed 7970s, the 7970 matches or beats the 680 - i'm guessing the 680 has less leeway for oc scaling due to gpu boost. Further, 680s are rumored to have a digitally signed bios that does not allow voltage modding (per wizzard at TPU). So the difference is not as black and white unless you're running stock speeds.
I certainly tip my hat to nvidia though, the 680 is a seriously awesome card.
Citation: see max OC benchmarks at hardware.fr.

Seriously there is nothing to complain about from either card. I can't disparage anyone for wanting either. AMD does need to drop their price at least 50 bucks though. 75-100 and it's the obvious choice but 50 is a neccesity imo.
    
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10-15% faster than a 7970? WOW, I am totally blown away! Everyone with a 7970 should now just throw it away because now you can get 145FPS instead of 135FPS. And I'm sure now AMD will actually raise the prices because they're evil and whatnot. rolleyes.gif
 
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Why would VR-ZONE benchmark the OCs with an i7 920? It seems counter intuitive, when you want to get the best performance for both cards they should be using at least a 2600k OC'd on the newest possible chipset.
I really want to see the numbers in a month or so, on a x79 mobo or on an Ivy.
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Extremely disappointed to say the least. What happened to it being the equivalent of 3 GTX 580's? Not to mention this card is really FUGLY and it uses both layers of the PCI slot cover. Looks I'm going to stick it out another generation. There wasn't any need of me upgrading anyways, my GTX 480 still runs everything perfectly at 1080p.
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10-15% faster than a 7970? WOW, I am totally blown away! Everyone with a 7970 should now just throw it away because now you can get 145FPS instead of 135FPS. And I'm sure now AMD will actually raise the prices because they're evil and whatnot. rolleyes.gif

That's not really an argument you want to make on an enthusiast community.
But yes, the 7970 is still a beast of a card, so is the GTX 680. I just don't get why people want to make the argument that this card or that is a failure when both companies came out with amazing single core GPUs.
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This.
All the talk about the GTX 680 being a Mid ranged card,
How can people believe that? $500 for mainstream card.
I honestly don't think so.
I'll wait for the AMD Price drop before I make my decision.
$650ish for GTX 680 in Australia, makes it cheaper than SOME 7970s.
Not all of them, We'll see nVidia

No one believes that the 680 is a mainstream card at that price, you can't deny the fact that the GK104 is a mainstream CHIP though, that's the point.

If you look at the chip size and specs of your 480 vs a 460, this becomes clear.

Nvidia HAD to do something to counter the 7970, and GK100 wasn't ready, had issues, or whatever, we don't know what happened to it.

I look forward to GK110 ( 780? ) the true High End chip.
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