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The best explanation is:
Hurr, AMD have sucky drivers
Durr, Nvidias drivers are perfect
The driver argument is really blown out of proportion, there are problems with both sides. A lot of the problems with AMD drivers come from the preconception that BETA drivers are stable drivers, while Nvidia rarely releases WHQL-drivers leaving users having to run beta drivers.

Yea. I know that AMD's drivers still aren't good for the HD 7970, which is why we're probably going to still see driver optimizations in the upcoming releases that may increase performance and stability. Not 100% sure on this, but AMD needs to get their own architecture optimizations on the driver level up to snuff.

It's not hard to theorize that before all of this is over, both camps may increase performance. Though, the memory bottleneck on the GTX 680 may become a hindrance sooner rather than later.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 3/23/12 at 7:08am
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Don't think so. GK104 has 2.5billion transistors. GF110 has 3billion. And I could care less how "crippled" the GTX 680 is (crippled based on what? lol) when it comes to the compute performance. It just doesn't perform. That's the compromise. It's a field that nvidia touted as the holy grail of parallell processing and floating point precision, and yet their newest card isn't up to snuff on that front. You can call it a move to sell more quadro/tesla solutions, or whatever you want. The point is that AMD's high-end solution beats it now.
It is what it is: a compromise.

3.5 billion transistors, not 2.5 billion.
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I dont agree with his arguement but those graphs tell different stories. In the first one the 680 scales, but scales poorly. In the second one the 7970 doesnt scale at all.

I dont know- the 7970 is showing near perfect scaling between 1x and 2x. So you can't argue that Crossfire isnt working at all. After that it's just falls flat after that (actually technically it still improving just INCREDIBLY poorly).
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I dont know- the 7970 is showing near perfect scaling between 1x and 2x. So you can't argue that Crossfire isnt working at all. After that it's just falls flat after that (actually technically it still improving just INCREDIBLY poorly).

Drivers for both cards are in a pretty bad state right now. I think that both cards have quite a bit of room for improvement. Tri-Fire/SLI and up though have always had problems with every card ever so I'm not sure how this is a surprise. If you want to run four cards youru experience is going to be mostly a disaster and this has held true for the last..what like four years? I see no reason to use more then two cards unless your just doing it because you like hardware. (like myself)
    
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3.5 billion transistors, not 2.5 billion.

Look at the time that was posted, and read all the posts after it. It's been cleared up, I promise.thumb.gif
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If i say i read all post on all pages, would u believe me?

Well am at work, and finished everything, might as well pass the time.

Funny thread really, but everyone is picking his/her own review site. In general nvidia has the upper hand, its cheap it game well blah blah..etc So does the 7970.

But both cards are out of my reach, and i really lik non-reference designs. I still see a good/bad futur with this card. Not to mention gtx7xx series and try to dream about it, look at the reference pcb of the gtx 680. It has the ability to expand the 4 +2 phases to 5 + 2 phases, 2x 6 pin to all the way 2x6 and 1 8. Nvidia could simply make a gtx 685/gtx690 using 1 gk104 but raise the tdp limit and increase the power and remove turbo boost feater and clock the card 1200-1300mhz. I know reviewers got cards to 1350, but really the card is stuborn as it will downclock to the clcks it see fit. So there is no 100% guarantee that ou oc @ 1250mhz is always set to that value.

Intel and AMD turbo boost/turbo core is great, nvidia's turbo boost...not that much. If this "feature" is removed (btw i think turbo bost is great for gamers, but not good for us oc-ers/benchers) i think there is a new level of performance.

Still 256 bit buss is a killer for the cards, even with 4g of vmem.

I forsee, msi lightning/asus matrix/evga classified with switchs that disable turbo boost. Also AIB's cards oc should be on the base clock. I dont want a gpu thats marketed with +100mhz on the turbo boost!! As the gtx 680 on stock can turbo all the way from 1006 to 1120 mhz. But if the base clock is 1200, it will be impressive since the card's base performance will be stable(-ish) 1200mhz which will be better than a oc-ed gtx 680 runing @ 1200.
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If i say i read all post on all pages, would u believe me?
Well am at work, and finished everything, might as well pass the time.
Funny thread really, but everyone is picking his/her own review site. In general nvidia has the upper hand, its cheap it game well blah blah..etc So does the 7970.
But both cards are out of my reach, and i really lik non-reference designs. I still see a good/bad futur with this card. Not to mention gtx7xx series and try to dream about it, look at the reference pcb of the gtx 680. It has the ability to expand the 4 +2 phases to 5 + 2 phases, 2x 6 pin to all the way 2x6 and 1 8. Nvidia could simply make a gtx 685/gtx690 using 1 gk104 but raise the tdp limit and increase the power and remove turbo boost feater and clock the card 1200-1300mhz. I know reviewers got cards to 1350, but really the card is stuborn as it will downclock to the clcks it see fit. So there is no 100% guarantee that ou oc @ 1250mhz is always set to that value.
Intel and AMD turbo boost/turbo core is great, nvidia's turbo boost...not that much. If this "feature" is removed (btw i think turbo bost is great for gamers, but not good for us oc-ers/benchers) i think there is a new level of performance.
Still 256 bit buss is a killer for the cards, even with 4g of vmem.
I forsee, msi lightning/asus matrix/evga classified with switchs that disable turbo boost. Also AIB's cards oc should be on the base clock. I dont want a gpu thats marketed with +100mhz on the turbo boost!! As the gtx 680 on stock can turbo all the way from 1006 to 1120 mhz. But if the base clock is 1200, it will be impressive since the card's base performance will be stable(-ish) 1200mhz which will be better than a oc-ed gtx 680 runing @ 1200.

The downclocking will affect nothing at all. It's already been said that it completely does not happen in benchmarks, only in games where there would be, say, a loading screen. It scared me a bit at first, but I was glad when I read about it.
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I dont know- the 7970 is showing near perfect scaling between 1x and 2x. So you can't argue that Crossfire isnt working at all. After that it's just falls flat after that (actually technically it still improving just INCREDIBLY poorly).

Sorry i meant scaling beyond 2 cards, 3 and 4 way over 0 improvement in that graph
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Great cards, yet......

we still have majority of developers targeting what is essentially the ATI x1900 and Nvidia 7900gt (the consoles)

Great for competition in to see who has the fastest card of them all, but when the next Xbox is supposed to have an 6670 (9800 gt perf wise),

Then what? they're not even pushing our cards that much as they could be.


Is a 680 a good replacement for a 3 GB 580? not really.... it has to be like, 4 GB of VRAM and has to be 2x faster for me to consider doing so.
     
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maybe this as the 660ti @ $350-$400?

This is exactly my thinking. smile.gif
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