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Hell, i'm not even on my desktop most of the time (at college most of the time) and i play on what's essentially a 6670 (6770m)

Still can play BF3 on some High/Ultra settings at 1440x900 , around 30 FPS, and it looks good and fine to me. And most PC games i played recently didn't crawl to single-frame FPS at all, so if i can play games comfortably on a "weak" card, then well... the 580 and every other card below and above it is massive overkill and we wish we can see what these GPUs can really do if it weren't for the $$$$$$$ that the consoles do for developers... Wait a minute, the developers keep more of their $$$ if they went indie and made a cool game on Steam. sigh..........
     
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Hell, i'm not even on my desktop most of the time (at college most of the time) and i play on what's essentially a 6670 (6770m)
Still can play BF3 on some High/Ultra settings at 1440x900, around 30 FPS, and it looks good and fine to me. And most PC games i played recently didn't crawl to single-frame FPS at all, so if i can play games comfortably on a "weak" card, then well... the 580 and every other card below and above it is massive overkill and we wish we can see what these GPUs can really do if it weren't for the $$$$$$$ that the consoles do for developers... Wait a minute, the developers keep more of their $$$ if they went indie and made a cool game on Steam. sigh..........

Gaming is quite a fun hobby of mine. And aside from that, I have this power addiction, that was until recently satisfied with a car. Moving down to a less expensive fix, and also needing the highest settings enabled to ward off a feeling of "not getting the full/best experience", I use these "overkill" cards to play Ultra settings at 120fps. I don't think 580-and-up is overkill at all, and I'm pretty happy with what I spent my money on (even if expensive) redface.gif
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Yeah this is nothing new. Have you ever met a sports fan? Personally I don't have an issue with anyone being a fan of a certain graphics card company. Personally I like both of them but when people have very positive experiences with a product they are going to like that product and probabally purchase from them again. Fanboys on the other hand are a whole nother story but as long as people make fact based arguments I have no problem with them. Saying a stock GTX 680 is faster then a stock 7970 is a true statement just like saying an OC'd 7970 keeps up with an OC'd 680 and quite often surpasses it. It's also true the 680 uses less power, just as the 7970 has more VRAM and on and on and on.

Must admit, well said
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Must admit, well said

I just think it makes sense. I mean have had nothing but great experiences with Intel. It would be fair to call me and Intel fan. I don't see a problem with this especially when the numbers show why. A lot of people have great experiences with Nvidia cards and drivers so it's going to make sense that the GTX 680 is going to be their next purchase. I can also see reasons why people would rather have a 7970 (Although not at a more expensive price).

My Dad for example loves Chevys and no one is going to tell him otherwise. But my Dad has used the same Chevy truck for 10 years and it's given him no issues. Why shouldn't he be a fan?
    
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I just think it makes sense. I mean have had nothing but great experiences with Intel. It would be fair to call me and Intel fan. I don't see a problem with this especially when the numbers show why. A lot of people have great experiences with Nvidia cards and drivers so it's going to make sense that the GTX 680 is going to be their next purchase. I can also see reasons why people would rather have a 7970 (Although not at a more expensive price).
My Dad for example loves Chevys and no one is going to tell him otherwise. But my Dad has used the same Chevy truck for 10 years and it's given him no issues. Why shouldn't he be a fan?

There is nothing wrong with being a "fan"... but.. there are " some "=> annoying fans that will keep posting over and over,.. trying to justify their purchase, it's just point blank stupid (hope you know what i mean )
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Having worked in a PC shop for 2 years, most of the people buy based on brand. I had a lot of customers buying GTX 280s GTX 480s and 9800GTX just because ATi was crap according to them -- because their old X800GTO broke. Same with people buying MSI cards a lot because the company exists for a long time. One customer had the choice between receiving an MSI GTX 280 or EVGA GTX 295 as replacement for his dead 8800GTX, he chose the 280 because he didn't know EVGA and therefore it was fail. Things like this happen, that's why support is so important.

Spreading misinformation or nitpicking on a product on an enthusiast board however is something different.
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Credit where credit is due. Nice chip nvidia!
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This last round of cards does make the competition gap a little closer, not like with Intel and AMD processors. Sandy/Ivy indeed pulled ahead by a lot more than Nvidia did in the GPU department. But I go with the best because aside from hardware specs being debatable for the most part, now you have FXAA1 and 2, Adaptive V-Sync, customizable framerate at whatever you want, stock Boost for 'the majority' of non-overclocking gamers, three monitors on one card and four on two cards. Nvidia has really been concentrating on the gamer as of late, and I would trust my GPU to no one else.
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Definitely wait for 2-3 more batches of WHQL driver releases before deciding what card is better in a single game (both teams may have improvements). This could be a deal breaker over the next few months. thumb.gif

I don't think the CryEngine 2 performance is a driver issue, and while new drivers may be able to eke out some more performance, I don't see them closing the gap, especially since CryEngine 2 is old, and almost certainly not a top priority. The MWLL mod will only exacerbate the differences between the cards as it's vastly more memory hungry than the unmodded game.
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Still, there is no reason to get a 7970 until prices drop......the 680 is a better value since the additional 1gb doesn't help that much if you're on a single monitor.

Unless the only things you do with your GPU are those niche areas where the 7970 is actually faster.
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I personally never had any preference in terms of which side to take on, I just get the best card that can handle the games at the resolution I play at (and can afford... dang taxes!).
When you really look at it with an objective view, the 7970 is a real top end card from AMD while the 680 is really the mid end card of Nvidia (GK104 and not GK110). From where I sit that's not apples to apples, so comparing the two should be taken with a grain of salt.

You say objective, but I see exactly the opposite.

The two current fastest single GPU cards from each company, in similar price brackets. That's about as apples to apples as you can get.
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where is the 3x speed of the 580? did i miss something?

No one with anything resembling sense ever said it would be three times as fast as a GTX 580.
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I'd like to get my hands on both cards and compare what sort of OCs they are really capable of.

The very first (but by no means last) test in my personal gold standard is the maximum GPU clock that the cards can run OCCT 3.1's GPU test at shader complexity 8 (plus some forced AF, as that is even more stressful in my experience) for eight hours without error, any sign of throttling (meaning no reduced clock speed, no OCP inserting idle states, and no ECC causing slowdowns), or the VRMs getting to temps beyond what I consider safe for a given clock. I have a serious feeling that most reported clocks for both cards are way in excess of what I would personally find stable.

I don't just game on my cards, I run demanding games for fairly short periods of time interspersed by long stretches of 24/7 hashing. My GPUs are often at near max load for months at a time without interruption, and I do not want them crashing or producing bad data, ever.
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Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Reference R9 290X w/Stilt's MLU 1000e / 1375m E... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
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