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You know honestly this thread lately have been pretty fanboy free so if you've come in here just to call someone out for it you should probabally look in the mirror.
    
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Alternate doesn't always show up in Tweakers.net Prijsvergelijker and such. Just keep in mind for the next time. Most of the time they have cheaper HW at launch because of greater volumes. Then again if you had it shipped, you would have only saved 5-10 euros or so, you did not pay a bad price tongue.gif
Apparently some stores are dropping prices of the 7970 to lose stock now too.

Ah, I'll keep that in mind cheers.thumb.gif
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How many reminders do I have to make before people start behaving in this thread? If I see another person calling each other fanboys or starting an argument, I'll start handing out infractions/warnings.
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Just purchased an EVGA 680, cant wait for it to arrive!!!, I sold my 590 and cant use my PC till then tongue.gif
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Just purchased an EVGA 680, cant wait for it to arrive!!!, I sold my 590 and cant use my PC till then tongue.gif

Grats! Heh, I've been stuck on a 96-sp, 384mb, 192-bit, nVidia 9600GSO card for the weekend and the past couple of days before... ordered my pair of eVGA GTX 680's wednesday night but they didn't ship till thurs. via 2-day air, so they're finally going to arrive tomorrow. Let me tell you, gaming at 25-30fps at 1280x800 minimum settings for bf3 on a 2560x1600 30" S-IPS monitor is a joy /sarcasm! Can't wait for mine to arrive either!! smile.gif
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People don't understand it because it's a brand new method... in a few days there will be more people re-stating the actual, correct info, and it will become common knowledge. There is no *user* direct control of the *max* voltage, just the minimum voltage. However, the card auto-volts up to the reference PCB's cap of 1.175v (it is limited by hardware to 1.21v actual, software reads 1.175 but digital multimeter tests by people have confirmed it's hitting the cap as well as eVGA's JacobF twitter). OC'ing is always a crapshoot on video cards, but the "difficulty" people are encountering is simply that nVidia limited the GPU vcore much lower than most of us on this site would like. The TDP isn't what's capping anything currently, but rather the reference pcb's voltage sensing limiter. Non-reference PCB's will likely allow for higher voltage limits to be set by turbo boost, and thus better oc'ing.

Tiger, why are you telling me all of this? Are you trying to justify the fact that nvidia locked out direct voltage control from users? All you're doing is trying to justify your purchase, and while I do infact agree that the GTX 680 is an incredibly well designed card and a step forward technologically, it doesn't change the fact that direct voltage tweaks are locked. In fact, you can't even get around this with a BIOS hack because it's digitally signed, and any sort of tampering attempt with the BIOS will brick the card (and void the warranty).

Auto-voltage adjustment is a feature built into all modern cards as a power-saving measure. The HD 5870 has it. The 8800 GTX had it. Virtually any modern video card has it. However, virtually all of those cards have the ability to override a driver setting and adjust the voltage on the 3D clock setting so the user can up their overclocks even further or stabilize an existing overclock. The GTX 680 lacks that ability, and that means that if someone wants to push their overclock a little bit higher for a benchmark or something, they're simply SOL.

Even you have to admit that having that extra voltage control would make the card overclock a helluva lot better. Instead, nvidia decided to play big brother this time around, and most people on this forum that enjoy overclocking their cards, either for records or for fun, aren't too happy about it. Frankly, I'm really surprised that you're avidly defending this practice by them.

Come on dude, give it a rest.
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Well, yeah, you're right that saying "wrong" is inaccurate on my part, it's really just more on "glass half full" vs "glass half empty". What I mean is basically what you said, except the last sentence. If 1.1v is the default 3d voltage, most cards won't raise it automatically at all when oc'ing.
Example, say you have a 1.15v stock VID radeon with a max allowed slider of 1.25v, and set a 100mhz oc. Voltage stays at 1.15v but is unstable/artifacting. You can manually raise it to the ceiling, but can't go beyond it. You set it to the max, and it now is stable. If it wasn't able to handle those speeds, it crashes.
In contrast, the GTX 680 has what I think most agree is a very low volt ceiling of 1.175v-software, and we are not able to manually raise that. When setting an overclock of say +100mhz on the GTX 680, it will auto-raise the voltage for you until it hits the max, as it deems to supply those clocks. If it is able to meet the required voltage while staying under the cap, it stays stable. If it wasn't able to handle those speeds at the voltage it tried and if it hit the cap, it crashes.

GTX680 has Low Limit so card will not OC the same with the same voltage. There is a reason Nvidia did this. Does GTX590/570 ring a bell. Give users a card will low Power Delivery System, more Voltage then it can handle and = fried cards. Now they introduced this new Boost feature to hide from the idea of manual voltage control. They dont want to lose money with RMAs. Non-reference might fix this or maybe not make a difference. It could also be that its the chips limit and not the power phase limit. Personally i am glad i did not get the GTX680. With AMD u get what u payed for and no surprises. GTX680 has still to prove itself. Its hype was huge and no its going down with disappointed owners.

Edit: Come on if this was was True better then HD 7970 it would not cost $500. Trust me on this. People that buy GPUs are not the average person.
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I wonder if Nvidia is moving towards something similar to Intel's (K) series with GPU's: Nvidia will make you pay more for an unlockable (voltage and clockspeed) GPU.
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I wonder if Nvidia is moving towards something similar to Intel's (K) series with GPU's: Nvidia will make you pay more for an unlockable (voltage and clockspeed) GPU.

Let's pray they don't completely lock out overclocking except for a GTX-K model that costs $30 more. That would be a travesty.
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I wonder if Nvidia is moving towards something similar to Intel's (K) series with GPU's: Nvidia will make you pay more for an unlockable (voltage and clockspeed) GPU.

I really really hope not. It's such a dirty way of making an extra twenty bucks off your customers. It's bad enough we have to put up with it with Intel. I'd go with AMD for that reason alone but the performance is just not there to justify it.
    
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