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So I finally ran 3dmark11 after having stabilized my OC fully on my GTX 680...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1234745/evga-gtx-680-sli-has-arrived-my-overclocking-review/0_40#post_16815838
Result = surprising to me vs. the Radeon 7970 I had.

So you ran 3dmark and decided based off this one benchmark alone that is not even a game that no one really even denys the 680 wins in that one card is faster then the other?

Uh? lol?
    
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So you ran 3dmark and decided based off this one benchmark alone that is not even a game that no one really even denys the 680 wins in that one card is faster then the other?
Uh? lol?

GoldenTiger has proven throughout this entire thread that he is biased towards the 680 and he'll argue until hell freezes over regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Those of us with a little common sense will realize that the 7970 is the better overclocker, period. It pulls ahead of the 680 very easily once max OCs are factored in. Sure, stock for stock the 680 wins, but we aren't 'stock' kind of people here are we? This is OVERCLOCK.net. Thus many of us want cards we can tinker with and cards that wont BSOD or crash with a measly 120mhz overclock. The way voltage is controlled with the 680 will most certainly prevent any sort of amazing overclocks on air. I doubt many of the 680 owners here are willing to hard mod their cards just to beat the 7970...
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GoldenTiger has proven throughout this entire thread that he is biased towards the 680 and he'll argue until hell freezes over regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Those of us with a little common sense will realize that the 7970 is the better overclocker, period. It pulls ahead of the 680 very easily once max OCs are factored in. Sure, stock for stock the 680 wins, but we aren't 'stock' kind of people here are we? This is OVERCLOCK.net. Thus many of us want cards we can tinker with and cards that wont BSOD or crash with a measly 120mhz overclock. The way voltage is controlled with the 680 will most certainly prevent any sort of amazing overclocks on air. I doubt many of the 680 owners here are willing to hard mod their cards just to beat the 7970...

I'm not sure that AMD is actually faster at max overclock. All I know for sure is that at the end of the day the 7970 is at worst 5% slower overall when you average everything. The 680 is nowhere near the killer it was hyped up to be. The people laughing at 7970 owners on release were wrong basically.

Past that I still don't think you can say with *absolute certainty* which card is faster.
    
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Well, EVGA is coming out with better boards for the GK104 GPU in their FTW model! That'd be my ideal card, because I play BF3, but like to push graphics cards the the reference board seems lacking. I think the 7970 is better for most games when overclocked though. From what we're seeing right now, 680 is worse clock for clock and the GK104 tends to cap out at a lower speed O.O

Maybe custom boards will remedy that, but not too likely.
 
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GoldenTiger has proven throughout this entire thread that he is biased towards the 680 and he'll argue until hell freezes over regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Those of us with a little common sense will realize that the 7970 is the better overclocker, period. It pulls ahead of the 680 very easily once max OCs are factored in. Sure, stock for stock the 680 wins, but we aren't 'stock' kind of people here are we? This is OVERCLOCK.net. Thus many of us want cards we can tinker with and cards that wont BSOD or crash with a measly 120mhz overclock. The way voltage is controlled with the 680 will most certainly prevent any sort of amazing overclocks on air. I doubt many of the 680 owners here are willing to hard mod their cards just to beat the 7970...

Are you hurt?

So many HD7970 owners trying to justify their purchase, incredible.

GTX 680 is faster, stock and OCed, /fact.
 
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I'm not seeing any real definitive 7970 wins even with both cards overclocked at 'max' 24/7 clocks speeds (if your talking about liquid nitrogen runs, I dont care.), most of the reviews and benchmarks I've seen are showing it's basically a tie.

Also, I would be real surprised if AMD doesn't implement some sort of turbo feature in their next-generation cards.
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Are you hurt?
So many HD7970 owners trying to justify their purchase, incredible.
GTX 680 is faster, stock and OCed, /fact.

Subjective.

In instances where multiple monitors or multiple cards come into play, the HD 7970 generally wins. This is either due to poor drivers from nvidia, limited memory bandwidth from the GTX 680, or a combination of both. Also, voltage options are available on the HD 7970 for even higher overclocks than that of the GTX 680.

/fact #bothcardsaregood
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GoldenTiger has proven throughout this entire thread that he is biased towards the 680 and he'll argue until hell freezes over regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Those of us with a little common sense will realize that the 7970 is the better overclocker, period. It pulls ahead of the 680 very easily once max OCs are factored in. Sure, stock for stock the 680 wins, but we aren't 'stock' kind of people here are we? This is OVERCLOCK.net. Thus many of us want cards we can tinker with and cards that wont BSOD or crash with a measly 120mhz overclock. The way voltage is controlled with the 680 will most certainly prevent any sort of amazing overclocks on air. I doubt many of the 680 owners here are willing to hard mod their cards just to beat the 7970...

jesus men you are the biggest "loyalist" dude I have ever read

not even some Xbots in Gametrailers are so hardcore lol
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GoldenTiger has proven throughout this entire thread that he is biased towards the 680 and he'll argue until hell freezes over regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Those of us with a little common sense will realize that the 7970 is the better overclocker, period. It pulls ahead of the 680 very easily once max OCs are factored in. Sure, stock for stock the 680 wins, but we aren't 'stock' kind of people here are we? This is OVERCLOCK.net. Thus many of us want cards we can tinker with and cards that wont BSOD or crash with a measly 120mhz overclock. The way voltage is controlled with the 680 will most certainly prevent any sort of amazing overclocks on air. I doubt many of the 680 owners here are willing to hard mod their cards just to beat the 7970...

+1. Well said.

I'm driving 3X 2560X1600 and overclocking my cards to the max is a given for me. IMHO, the true high-end gaming card is the 7970. 3Gb of VRAM, and I can easily reach 1250/1600 with 4 cards in Quad-Fire.

2Gb, and limited OC don't cut it for high-end gaming set-ups. For around the same price, the 7970 is a better card for my 3X30'' Eyefinity set-up. With 4500$ worth of displays, I don't care about the price of those GPUs. I care about max OC potential, VRAM, and FPS. That's all.

Let's see some Quad-SLI 680 max OC bench at 7680X1600. smile.gif
    
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Again, if nvidia has nothing to hide about the power circuitry, why lock down voltage control? It voids the warranty if you tamper with it, so their butts are covered any way. There's literally no reason to lock voltage control unless it is being used as a form deception to mask the true quality of the components. Remember that the GTX 590 had poor power regulation on it to the point that if you tweaked even remotely close to the limit, the power circuitry would burn out. That's pretty serious, especially when the card is positioned as an enthusiast part. It should have enthusiast levels of power regulation.

First of all quality and efficiency of power delivery system is not tied simply to a number of phases, there can be 100 cheap and crappy phases or 10 sturdy ones with quality components. There hasn't been any report of 680 VRM blowing or anything when OCing, so as far as real world data goes power system is fine as is.

GPU Boost, while operating differently from PowerTune is overall aimed toward the same, getting most out of chip without hardlocking it at potentially unstable clock, while allowing it to reach that clock under certain circumstances. Cause chips rarely run at 100% load, so most of the time there is a headroom available. Before everyone will say that PowerTune is not for that, it allows AMD to clock their card more on the generous side to clock that will be fine 99 times out of 100, but that tech would prevent card from crashing by throttling it that single time.

And the reason 680 does not support software voltage control, is cause it has a predefined voltage table in a BIOS that constantly adjust voltage based on clock. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be possible to change that table with some updated BIOS editor tool.

That's as far as reference cards go, with tweaked designs it is up to a manufacturer to tweak or even altogether disable this algorithm.
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