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If you actually READ the thread, it was due to my 2500k bottlenecking my 3 7970s, which is the reason why I upgraded to my 3930k rig, and haven't had a SINGLE issue since.
I'm sorry, but this statement is incorrect. A 2500K does not bottleneck 7970s. The PCI-E lane bandwidth might though. You were at 8x8x4 2.0 ? Makes sense that 16x8x16 3.0 would give better results on X79. IB will give enough bandwidth for these new cards with 16x8x8 3.0.
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Oh, I read up on the 7970 while I owned it, but the drivers still sucked even after spending hours upon hours googling for all the random little tweaks and hacks you need to make to them. Sure, the 7970 is fast too, but it's still slower+pricier+more of a hassle. If I had benched my 7970 at normal fan speeds which only netted me around 1100mhz core... the speed gap would have been even larger. GTX 680 was simply plug and play... I can't say the same of the 7970 for me. I also see LOTS of posts in the gtx 680 owners' thread and on the evga forums of people saying they're glad they switched or are switching due to amd driver issues. So, it's not user error.

I can tell you, I've spent 2 month with the 7970s installing/reinstalling drivers, formatting HD, replacing monitors, RMAing cards, swapping out PSUs, RAM, CPU, Motherboards, etc. Crossfire never worked right no matter what combination I've tried at higher resolutions. It's not a user error.
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I'm at 2560x1600 as well. I have yet to have a driver issue, that you claim EVERYBODY seems to have. Most people don't have driver issues with these cards. The only real problem with them, is that you need RC11 installed first, then any of the WHQL drivers. Not all that big of a deal.....
And guess what? There's not one title out there that I cannot max out completely...with the two exceptions being GTA IV due to unoptimized drivers (I can pull off all "High" with 50 sliders though, which is acceptable), and Metro 2033....which the 680 can't do either.
I think your experience with 7970's honestly, was user error. Most of the problems with these cards are due to people simply not doing the research..which sounds to be your issue as well.

Oh, I read up on the 7970 while I owned it, but the drivers still sucked even after spending hours upon hours googling for all the random little tweaks and hacks you need to make to them. Sure, the 7970 is fast too, but it's still slower+pricier+more of a hassle. If I had benched my 7970 at normal fan speeds which only netted me around 1100mhz core... the speed gap would have been even larger. GTX 680 was simply plug and play... I can't say the same of the 7970 for me. I also see LOTS of posts in the gtx 680 owners' thread and on the evga forums of people saying they're glad they switched or are switching due to amd driver issues. So, it's not user error. I did the research (which is absurd to have to do for a $550 video card) and it still was a pain. From visual glitches in less-popular titles, to ULPS issues, to powerplay resetting itself at random, and other problems, I simply hated it. I also later bought a Radeon 7950 OC (non-ref cooler) and it had the exact same problems, so it wasn't a bad card.

Really? Because I've been reading of a lot of people having issues overclocking their 680's.

And you can't pull the more expensive card thing on me, when some of us have had the 7970's since January. If you ask me, that absolutely makes up for the price difference, considering I've had this performance for over 2 months now. And without issue at all for most of us.
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Really? Because I've been reading of a lot of people having issues overclocking their 680's.
And you can't pull the more expensive card thing on me, when some of us have had the 7970's since January. If you ask me, that absolutely makes up for the price difference, considering I've had this performance for over 2 months now. And without issue at all for most of us.

The "issues" with GTX 680 oc'ing were simply people not understanding how it worked, since it works differently from prior cards. Against eVGA's instructions/recommendations as well as nvidia and reviewers' recommendations, people kept trying to set voltage manually, clocks way too high then not rebooting if it crashed, and letting the cards run hotter than they're supposed to for peak OC performance. You might notice it was quickly cleared up.

As I said, I owned a 7970 at launch... and it was miserable. I didn't enjoy it one bit... who cares if you have solid performance if you can't enjoy it? For current purchasers, it doesn't matter that the 7970 had been out for 2 months prior: for them, (and me since I returned mine due to the drivers + noise), what matters is what's here now on the table.
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I can tell you, I've spent 2 month with the 7970s installing/reinstalling drivers, formatting HD, replacing monitors, RMAing cards, swapping out PSUs, RAM, CPU, Motherboards, etc. Crossfire never worked right no matter what combination I've tried at higher resolutions. It's not a user error.

Same story I see all over the 'net on every forum I browse. Even if the GTX 680 were more expensive, and slower (which it actually is faster and cheaper) I would have still bought it anyway instead of re-buying 7970's.
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Same story I see all over the 'net on every forum I browse. Even if the GTX 680 were more expensive, and slower (which it actually is faster and cheaper) I would have still bought it anyway instead of re-buying 7970's.

Yup, I've actually first "borrowed" the 580s from microcenter, saw there were absolutely no SLI issues, returned them and got 680s. Actually saved 150 bucks and now happily getting 60fps+ at 5760x1080 in almost anything I've thrown at it with no stuttering.
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Same story I see all over the 'net on every forum I browse. Even if the GTX 680 were more expensive, and slower (which it actually is faster and cheaper) I would have still bought it anyway instead of re-buying 7970's.

Just get 7950s with more memory. Cheaper and faster when you OC both.
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Just get 7950s with more memory. Cheaper and faster when you OC both.

7950's use the same drivers, and are even slower than the 7970's which is already slower for me than the gtx 680's are. The non-reference ones run $480+ still too, which is the same price as a gtx 680 (the reference 7950's have a miniscule, noisy little heatsink, while the 7970's still have a noisy fan at 42%+ but at least have a good heatsink).

Here's a reference 7950 hsf with shroud removed:
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Here's a reference 7970 hsf with shroud removed:
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It's $450 actually and can be found for cheaper occasionally; way to look for the highest marked-up price for your unbiased comparison...
At similar clocks to the 7950 it gives near the exact same performance with ~1-2fps difference.
It's also faster or sometimes equal to the 670Ti rebranded as a 680 in DX and far ahead of Nvidia when it comes to compute/OpenCL performance for work related tasks.
It also comes with more VRAM for AA and high-res mods like the ones used in Skyrim which use over 2GB @ 1080P.
The name of this site is overclock.net. Which means, we don't use stock clocks.

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It's $450 actually and can be found for cheaper occasionally; way to look for the highest marked-up price for your unbiased comparison...
At similar clocks to the 7970 it gives near the exact same performance with ~1-2fps difference.
It's also faster or sometimes equal to the 670Ti rebranded as a 680 in DX and far ahead of Nvidia when it comes to compute/OpenCL performance for work related tasks.
It also comes with more VRAM for AA and high-res mods like the ones used in Skyrim which use over 2GB @ 1080P.

I said non-reference, I see the cheapest one at $470 on newegg and $480 for the good ones. I already tested the 7970 oc'd heavily vs. a medium gtx 680 oc and the 7970 was slower... so a 7950 is going to be slower since it's a gimped radeon 7970. I am talking oc-to-oc here, not stock, so not sure why you are trying to remind me of the site's name, sir. 7950 is notably slower even at same clocks (5-10%) than the 7970 in most tests across most review sites. G'day, I guess being faster, cheaper, and quieter + having better support/drivers is no longer enough for some...
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It's $450 actually and can be found for cheaper occasionally; way to look for the highest marked-up price for your unbiased comparison...
At similar clocks to the 7970 it gives near the exact same performance with ~1-2fps difference.
It's also faster or sometimes equal to the 670Ti rebranded as a 680 in DX and far ahead of Nvidia when it comes to compute/OpenCL performance for work related tasks.
It also comes with more VRAM for AA and high-res mods like the ones used in Skyrim which use over 2GB @ 1080P.

I said non-reference, I see the cheapest one at $470 on newegg and $480 for the good ones. I already tested the 7970 oc'd heavily vs. a medium gtx 680 oc and the 7970 was slower... so a 7950 is going to be slower since it's a gimped radeon 7970. I am talking oc-to-oc here, not stock, so not sure why you are trying to remind me of the site's name, sir. 7950 is notably slower even at same clocks (5-10%) than the 7970 in most tests across most review sites. G'day, I guess being faster, cheaper, and quieter + having better support/drivers is no longer enough for some...

Faster, no try again. The 7970 and 680 trade blows back and forth. That doesn't make either one faster than the other one.
Cheaper, sure at retail price, assuming you can even find one right now at retail price. The only ones I can find are $600 right now. Again, this doesn't mean AMD won't introduce a price drop either, because its fully possible that they could once 680 stock evens out.
Quieter....reference vs. reference, yes you've got me there.
Better support / drivers? That's laughable. I'm personally getting feedback from the CCC team on them trying to fix the two known problems with the 7970 drivers. The crash at idle (which there's a work around for), and GTA IV poor performance. Any other issues, I haven't seen complained about enough...or they have been user errors. And I honestly prefer the CCC drivers over the Nvidia drivers anyday.
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