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@PoopaScoopa

A couple notes on those graphs.

1) Out of the gaming graphs you posted, AMD wins one out of three. While you have a good point about the overclocked performance differences being miniscule, I really do wonder if the majority of these cards will spend their lives overclocked or not.

2) Very clearly, nVidia has concentrated on CUDA rather than OpenCL. If the same task was targeted for CUDA, what would the result be? However, OpenCL is a proposed (ratified yet?) open standard, so the bench (and the win) is valid. However in the real world, CUDA is gaining and keeping market share in the supercomputing arena.

Question: how significant is the ComputeMark (DX11 Shader) result? What real world task does it represent, or is it a purely synthetic bench test?
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Went AMD crossfire for about a month, drivers were horrible, and went right back to nvidia. Just my 2 cents
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@PoopaScoopa
A couple notes on those graphs.
1) Out of the gaming graphs you posted, AMD wins one out of three. While you have a good point about the overclocked performance differences being miniscule, I really do wonder if the majority of these cards will spend their lives overclocked or not.
2) Very clearly, nVidia has concentrated on CUDA rather than OpenCL. If the same task was targeted for CUDA, what would the result be? However, OpenCL is a proposed (ratified yet?) open standard, so the bench (and the win) is valid. However in the real world, CUDA is gaining and keeping market share in the supercomputing arena.
Question: how significant is the ComputeMark (DX11 Shader) result? What real world task does it represent, or is it a purely synthetic bench test?

It beats one by a significant margin and then ties the other two. We're talking about a 18fps difference and then 4 which is within margin or error.
For us OCN users, why wouldn't they? Unless we're loading up minecraft we max it out.
CUDA's definitely being used more in the workplace right now, I'll give you that. But its performance compared to the old 580? Not so good with the new architecture. A 570 gives the same results. Besides, businesses serious about CUDA are using Tesla anyways. The consumer market doesn't use CUDA as much as OpenCL.
For someone that already has two 7950s that reach 1150 without needing 70% fan and got them cheaper than this new 680, switching would provide no benefit.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/28/12 at 7:33pm
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Another thing is that clock for clock, the 7970 is simply quicker in games/etc, not to mention the max OC potential (mhz wise) is lower on the 680. I have a very nice 680 (OC wise), and I was barely able to attain a +185mhz OC that was BF3 stable, and still crashed in Unigine, which didn't matter to me. The OC is nice, and helps alot, but as I and many other have noticed, the performance isn't stable or consistent when overclocking. Sometimes you'll score 200 points different in 3dmark11 on the same OC.

Dude come on once again spewing facts and oc crap that I dont care about, you dont have to sell me on it lmao I am getting a 7970. Instead of heading my advice of not going off on performance tangents you made yourself out to be desperate again to prove this and that about the cards, both cards are good, it all comes down to w/e one you can get cheaper imo.
I didnt say anything about either being better there or anything today with performance but bam info overload.
Oh and I even mention the mentality of a few 7970 owners in here being like the small man with the big mouth and how do you prove me wrong you go on for 4 paragraphs about performance comparisons when I never even compared the 2 cards >_ >, there both great but both kinda overpriced atm or well here in the uk anyway.

Anyways lets not argue anymore if both were the same price I would have a breakdown trying to decide which one, luckily the 680's are all sold out and more expensive than the 7970s here atm so my choice is made for me tongue.gif
Edited by Projector - 3/28/12 at 7:08pm
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lots of AMD and NVIDIA executives here
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lots of AMD and NVIDIA executives here

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Love the chess graphic on page 1.
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2) Very clearly, nVidia has concentrated on CUDA rather than OpenCL. If the same task was targeted for CUDA, what would the result be? However, OpenCL is a proposed (ratified yet?) open standard, so the bench (and the win) is valid. However in the real world, CUDA is gaining and keeping market share in the supercomputing arena.

CUDA performance isn't that good on these cards either sadly:

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From Anand's review

That is running Prime Grid, a distributed computing project available through BOINC which utilizes CUDA.

It is clear that nVidia made a gaming card here, and it is great at gaming. Sadly for the, admittedly small percentage, of us who like to Fold or crunch on our cards as well as game this is not a good buy.
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@PoopaScoopa

You're right about OCN users overclocking their cards, but what about the rest of the market? Are they all OCN types too? Obviously these cards are aimed at gaming enthusiasts, but how many of them are overclockers? I know one guy who has a 580 (to play World of Warcraft!!!!), and never even tried to OC it.

One point I'd like to mention is this. Just like Intel, I think AMD and nVidia are sandbagging when it comes to overclocking; I think they are deliberately allowing a margin of comfort with their chosen clock speeds, giving the impression that this chip or that is " a good overclocker".
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