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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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    AMD 7970
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post #161 of 679
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Originally Posted by jtom320 View Post

Overclocking performance is interesting. It definitely looks like the 7970 has the edge. With that said the 680 is still currently the better buy at 500 even if the Radeon slightly edges it. Now if AMD goes to the same price or cheaper it's a whole different ballgame. They really do need to drop there prices to because I'm definitely going CF or TF depending on prices.

At the same price the 680 is still the better buy giving it's much better efficiency in my opinion.

I think the 7970 needs to be about $20-$25 cheaper than the GTX 680 before it becomes a competition to the 680. There are so close after overclocking that performance really doesn't matter. We also got to remember the majority of people buying these will not even overclock them (lol), so the GTX 680 wins for the majority of gamers. It's a shame many people don't take the time to learn how to boost their FPS just by moving a couple sliders. I think the 680 would still sell faster than a 7970 priced $25 lower, mainly due to this. 99% of people will not take the time to compare overclocked results, they will see it's faster by around 10% at stock and "only" $25 more and buy it.

Sad world, but most people don't fully research their purchases.
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You need to look at the OC results. Much more even playing field with a slight nod the 7970's way.

Wait 3 months for drivers to mature a little bit better and I can see the 680 having the slight nod. All these tests are using Day 1 drivers. By then the 7970 "should" be priced lower than it is now, so we'll have to wait and see.
Edited by Murlocke - 3/23/12 at 8:47am
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At the same price the 680 is still the better buy giving it's much better efficiency in my opinion.
I think the 7970 needs to be about $20-$25 cheaper than the GTX 680 before it becomes a competition to the 680. There are so close after overclocking that performance really doesn't matter. We also got to remember the majority of people buying these will not even overclock them (lol), so the GTX 680 wins for the majority of gamers. It's a shame many people don't take the time to learn how to boost their FPS just by moving a couple sliders. I think the 680 would still sell faster than a 7970 priced $25 lower, mainly due to this. 99% of people will not take the time to compare overclocked results, they will see it's faster by around 10% at stock and "only" $25 more and buy it.
Sad world, but most people don't fully research their purchases.
Wait 3 months for drivers to mature a little bit better and I can see the 680 having the slight nod. All these tests are using Day 1 drivers. By then the 7970 "should" be priced lower than it is now, so we'll have to wait and see.

i second this. i have to spend another $100 to get an active display port which i have not yet done. That will mean i paid $700 for my gigabyte 7970!

for $500, gtx 680 is a great value! comes with two dvi connectors already!
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post #163 of 679
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At the same price the 680 is still the better buy giving it's much better efficiency in my opinion.
I think the 7970 needs to be about $20-$25 cheaper than the GTX 680 before it becomes a competition to the 680. There are so close after overclocking that performance really doesn't matter. We also got to remember the majority of people buying these will not even overclock them (lol), so the GTX 680 wins for the majority of gamers. It's a shame many people don't take the time to learn how to boost their FPS just by moving a couple sliders. The think the 680 would still sell faster than a 7970 priced $25 lower, mainly due to this. 99% of people will not take the time to compare overclocked results, they will see it's faster by around 10% at stock and "only" $25 more and buy it.
Sad world, but most people don't fully research their purchases.

I disagree. The 680 and 7970 power draw difference is about as miniscule as their performance difference. In fact there are a couple cases where the 680 draws more power oddly enough. In terms of most gamers who buy these cards sure the 680 might be better if they're not OCing but I'm not all that concerned about them. For the same price it's basically a flip of the coin to me as an informed consumer. Obviously though with the 680 being cheaper it's the card to buy right now. I don't see the situation staying this way for long though. I don't know why AMD would all of a sudden give up their price advantage.


I know some people will complain that early adopters (like myself) get screwed in this scenario but I don't see how that would be surprising to anyone. Early adopters always get screwed, tons of people paid 600 bucks for a PS3. It's just the way of things if you want to have the very best at release. I think anyone who thought the 7970 wasn't going to drop in price even way back on January 9th wasn't thinking clearly.
    
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post #164 of 679
The Overclocked 3Dmark 11 score that Elmor made with the 7970, you just cant compare that result with a GTX680 3D11 score.

Why?

1. Different CPU's at different speeds.
2. The 7970 Lightning has 17 phase PWM, the reference GT680 has 4+2 but they use a modified PWM, but you don't know how many phases there are.

But still the 7970 has more GPU score. thumb.gif
post #165 of 679
I say the 7970 is the FASTER card, but thats with a good OC. Overclocked the 7970 can't be beat. The gtx680 turbos to 1100mhz in some reviews, so 6-18% increased performance from 200mhz extra isnt all that grand. The GTX680 surely wins in power usage, what comes in handy. But someone like me, who is going to put their cards on water and Overclock them to the max, only cares about what the cards can do with a full OC. If one got a 7970 to 1300mhz, then be happy knowing the gtx680 can't touch it at that speed. The 7970 scales more with a OC then the gtx680 does, and CF also scales better.

If the Cards were the same price I would say go the AMD route, as its really a better card. With the price of the gtx680 lower, then getting a 7970 now would be a crazy move. All AMD has to do is release a GHZ Edition 7970 for the same price of the gtx680 and they would be back on top stock wise. For now the GTX680 can't be beat for the price.
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overclocked they're very similar. personally i'd take the 7970 for it's extra vram - assuming prices dropped of course

I would too, if I had an Eyefinity setup.

2GB? No thanks.

Single screen gaming, GTX680.

I'd have a hard time choosing if I was on 1440/1600p.
   
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Here are a bunch of benchmarks with Overclocks. It should be noted the 7970 OC is pretty small. About 200 mhz less then on mine but even with this small OC the gap is considerabally smaller.

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The framerates on both of these cards are ridiculous though for pretty much every game

Recap of results. AMD takes 6 benchmarks, Nvidia takes 10, and they are within one frame of each other in 3 if I'm looking at this correctly. Pretty even if you ask me especially considering the modest OC on the Radeon. For the record there are now 7970's shipping with higher base clocks then the OC used in this test. I'm sure people will be able to get higher clocks on 680s as well.

Here are VR-Zones overclocking results. The overclocks are much higher here.

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Edited by jtom320 - 3/23/12 at 10:12am
    
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I would too, if I had an Eyefinity setup.
2GB? No thanks.
Single screen gaming, GTX680.
I'd have a hard time choosing if I was on 1440/1600p.

HardOCP shows the GTX 680 doing better than the 7970 in every game at 5670x1080, the only exception was Deus Ex. Triple monitor setups do not seem to be affected by the 2GB of VRAM, even with 4x AA.

These tests were ran on stock so who knows what overclocked would be like. 2GB of VRAM is enough unless your running 3x 2560x1600. This whole VRAM thing is getting out of hand. 2GB VRAM was plenty a year ago for triple monitors, and games have not been seeing the graphical leaps these last few years we are use too.
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HardOCP shows the GTX 680 doing better than the 7970 in every game at 5670x1080, the only exception was Deus Ex. Triple monitor setups do not seem to be affected by the 2GB of VRAM, even with 4x AA.
These tests were ran on stock so who knows what overclocked would be like. 2GB of VRAM is enough unless your running 3x 2560x1600. This whole VRAM thing is getting out of hand. 2GB VRAM was plenty a year ago for triple monitors, and games have not been seeing the graphical leaps these last few years we are use too.

If you look at some of the OC results you can see in games like Anono and Metro and Bulletstorm the 7970 loses in the low res/iq tests but once the settings are cranked up begins to win. This to me is the strength of the 7970. Honestly I will take OC results over stock results anyday. This is afterall OCN.

In fact my point is made perfectly at Hardware.fr. This is actually a pretty good analysis on their part I have to give them credit.

Quote.

In level of overclocking, the GK104 has less room than the Radeon HD 7900 GPU, GPU Boost already drawing largely in it. By cons, overclocking the memory can be generous and offer a very high yield on a GeForce GTX 680 which is somewhat lacking in memory bandwidth, providing a nice performance gain especially in situations where it is a little bit withdrawal. To beat the GeForce GTX 680 and boosted, it will then go through a massive overclocking of the Radeon HD 7970, with changes in blood increased GPU and all nuisances.
Noted however that if the GeForce GTX 680 takes the crown of the single GPU graphics card the most powerful of the time, his lead is on average quite small, and its performance is highly variable from one situation to another. She suffers particularly when 8x antialiasing, very heavy in memory bandwidth, is activated. Add to that the lack of visibility from the behavior of the GPU Boost on the cards you find on the market, Nvidia categorically refusing to enter the details of its specificities. It must be said that technology, in contrast to what the CPU is not deterministic, which means that two samples of the same card will perform differently.
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However according to motherboards.org on Youtube, Elric got information that the GTX680 is only going to cost $500.00, making it $50.00 cheaper. But it does run alot hotter.

If you look on Anandtech and Hardforums, you can see how badly the 680 is disrupting the 7970 pricing already. I can see at least 3 threads where 7970s are going for less than $450 USD, shipped.

That's insane and I'd fully expect the retail market to follow suit in the next weeks.
    
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