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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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    AMD 7970
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    GTX 680
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Originally Posted by chmodlabs View Post

It's quite obvious that nVidia wins here. More powerful core, operates more efficiently on less power, numerous anti-aliasing innovations and improvements, added 3+1 nVidia Surround (with nVidia surround 3D support). It takes away the one edge AMD used to claim they had, eyefinity, which as far as I'm concerned could only utilize 3D with their sketchy 3D software and a 3D enabled tv with it's own proprietary glasses.
nVidia wins again with it's "mid-range" chip. AMD, well they dissapoint again (NOT surprising)
- chmodlabs

That 'mid range' nonsense is exactly that.... 'nonsense'. That claim was made by Nvidia to hype up their card and to keep Nvidia enthusiasts guessing and intrigued. To be honest, its the stupidest thing I've ever heard in the video card scene. AMD could easily call the 7970 their mid-range card, and claim that their TRUE high-end card will be the Sea Islands Core (8970). It doesn't matter if the 680 is Nvidia's low end, high end, or mid range card because what it comes down to is that RIGHT now, that is the BEST Nvidia can come up with, and we live in a world where competition is a right NOW thing. It's about what each company can produce right then and there. AMD already beat Nvidia by several months to the punch, and Nvidia's answer to their card was paltry at best. Sure it may beat the 7970 in some benches stock for stock, but would you expect anything less from a company who was given extra MONTHS to refine and tweak their product against the competition's? This whole "this is only our mid range chip" rumor is just a gimmick to make people believe that Nvidia is just SO much better than AMD that they only released a half-ass chip and it beat them, but in reality it's the BEST they could push out right now, even being several months late to the table.

Nvidia's 'mid range' 680 can be compared easily to AMD's 'mid range' 7970 when the 8970 is released and AMD calls that the high end, which is when Nvidia will be trying to answer back with the 685.

This bad mouthing from Nvidia to AMD has no merit and is only a marketing ploy to keep people on the edge of their seat waiting for the next Nvidia card and ignoring all AMD releases. Nvidia kept many people waiting for the 680, causing them to avoid the 7970 altogether. Now that the 680 is released, it was clear that it was just a method of postponing the buying of 7970s so that they wouldn't lose market share to AMD.
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post

Sad world, but most people don't fully research their purchases.

Now this is a very true statement thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Faded View Post

the 680's literally just launched, so it makes sense for them to be sold out...
thats exactly how the 7970 has been since its launch.

What your missing is how suddenly the 7970's are all "in stock" after being always "out of stock" before the 680 release. Retail sales for the 7970 have dramatically slowed down. Same as when the 7970 was launched the 580's stop selling because of their continued high price. Nvidia knew that launching the 680 at 500 dollars would put the GPU market back into their hands again. Amd either responds with dropping prices or watches 7970 sells come to a stand still. I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a pair of 7970's and that the 7990 is still a few weeks out. This 680 pricing is going to have a ripple effect on Amd's prices and will be great for the consumer looking at top tier cards.
 
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What your missing is how suddenly the 7970's are all "in stock" after being always "out of stock" before the 680 release. Retail sales for the 7970 have dramatically slowed down. Same as when the 7970 was launched the 580's stop selling because of their continued high price. Nvidia knew that launching the 680 at 500 dollars would put the GPU market back into their hands again. Amd either responds with dropping prices or watches 7970 sells come to a stand still. I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a pair of 7970's and that the 7990 is still a few weeks out. This 680 pricing is going to have a ripple effect on Amd's prices and will be great for the consumer looking at top tier cards.


Ofc they slowed down because the enthusiasts have had 3 months to buy em, for the past month or so there has been consistent stock of them, same thing happened with the 3930k, people didnt stop buying them because they all switched to BD.

 

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post #185 of 679
Ok I've just caught up with this thread after catching up on some missed sleep for the anticipation of the 680 release. Here goes...
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It will be a big fiasco when the 7990 is released in 1-2 weeks, with up to +100% performance of the gtx 680. I actually thought the gtx 680s performance would be higher than what it is. Nvidia's turbo boost is just better to 1058 mhz+. And apparently it continues to work even when you oc your GPU to high mhz, so most ocing benchmarks dont put this into consideration. If you can somehow disable turbo boost and run the gtx 680 at the exact same clocks as a stock 7970, the difference in performance between them will vanish (averaged).

Why would you gimp the 680 from dynamic over clock so the 7970 can compete? Over clock them reference vs reference as high as you can to determine which is better. Features ( good or bad ) should be taken into consideration to determine which is better.
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There are rewards for being the first out of the gate you know, why should we handicap them for that?

Being first is great, kudos for AMD for this. Won them some nice revenue over in Nvidia without unrivaled competition. Dosen't crown them king or make their product better. Yes I agree with you because AMD fans have also claimed the same thing every time an AMD card released. However in time this may actually chamge when mature drivers in the end show who might be the winner.

Maybe we should take this poll again in another three months after Nvidia has had time to polish their drivers.
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Yeah I said it before, but these guys wouldn't listen and the review sites haven't been fair to the HD 7970. When OC'd both cards are equal.
But AMD screwed themselves over...they underclocked the 7970.

Legit reviews did an article with an overclocked 680 and it was very comparable and actually slightly edging over the 7970. In fact it did better than a 6990 when over clocked!
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the 8970 will blow everything out of the water if the trend in performance increase continues, as it has with AMD from the 4890 - 5870 - 6970 - 7970. Nvidia has started good but has had hiccups, from GTX 285 to GTX 480 to GTX 580 to GTX 680. The last three are somewhat comparable in performance (within ~60%), whle the 7970 is more than 300% the performance of a 4890.

I'd really like to have your crystal ball because I do not know how you can make such a claim that the 8970 will be better than the 780. The 7970 is already tapped out where as the 680 is on the smaller die and has room to grow even further.
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Running cooler and quiter has more to do with the heatsink and fan design. Put on a 3rd party cooler on the 7970 and it too could run much cooler and quiter than the gtx 680. I think neither is king, and the gtx 680 was not enough to be king over the 7970. (price to performance not put into consideration, i mean pure performance king)

With both these cards so close together in performance this is more of a popularity contest then who is actual King now that Nvidia has multiple monitors with one card AMD has lost its true niche.

As for the cooling we are comparing reference cards verse reference cards and if you want to compare aftermarket coolers you have to do the same for both. Nvidia still will run cooler if we base it off these current specs. Example Lightning vs Lightning.
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Originally Posted by polyzp View Post

Note Nvidias turbo actually pushes clocks to 1110 Mhz in some cases, 20% higher than the 7970 @ 925 Mhz. This is more than enough to justify it being a better card at first glance, but looking deeper, clock per clock is a much different scenario.

The 680 runs at 1006 MHz and with dynamic overclocking maxes 1058 MHz. Again here the real test will be to just overclock both on air as high as they will go to determine which is a better performer.

Again the fact that the 680 has dynamic overclocking just makes it that much better if it works when both are clocked as high as they can go and you get more performance out of the 680.
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I would too, if I had an Eyefinity setup.
2GB? No thanks.
Single screen gaming, GTX680.
I'd have a hard time choosing if I was on 1440/1600p.

At first when I heard that Nvidia will have 2 GB versus AMD 3 GB I also thought that they would not be able to compare to AMD on the multiple monitor front, however we've seen that even in the highest resolutions the benchmarks prove it did not hinder perfomance and they are either comparable with AMD only having the very slightest edge now.

Even HardOCP who has always leaned toward AMD's direction didn't have anything bad to say about the 680. In fact from their reviews the 680 clearly is a winner in more than one ways than one.


To sum it all up after responding to all these posts that both video cards are so close in performance both offering now comparable options it's hard to say which is 'king' like we've done in the past.

Personally I like the 3-D vision that Nvidia offers which is hands-down better than AMD's option in more ways than one. To me that's an extra feature that I prefer in my video card and what I based my decision on in the past year.

It's amazing how this line from both AMD and Nvidia are performing at the levels of the 590 and a 6990 in many of the benchmarks we've seen truly a success for both companies.

Having said all this when you can compare them so closely together the last determining factor would be price. Unbelievably for the first time Nvidia actually is now the price performance option. AMD fans have always boasted this fact and have based their decision on price over performance. I'm not sure what changed for them to still pick AMD at this point unless AMD comes down on their price other than a preference of choice and opinion.
     
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Ive looked on the web at different "benchmarks" and it looks like they trade blows, there is no real "king"
680 is cheaper though tongue.gif
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post #187 of 679
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What your missing is how suddenly the 7970's are all "in stock" after being always "out of stock" before the 680 release. Retail sales for the 7970 have dramatically slowed down. Same as when the 7970 was launched the 580's stop selling because of their continued high price. Nvidia knew that launching the 680 at 500 dollars would put the GPU market back into their hands again. Amd either responds with dropping prices or watches 7970 sells come to a stand still. I'm so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a pair of 7970's and that the 7990 is still a few weeks out. This 680 pricing is going to have a ripple effect on Amd's prices and will be great for the consumer looking at top tier cards.

It is only logical, since it is the latest product in market. Real situation could look on in the long term. assume that a similar situation is observed each time when the sale is a new GPU.
Sorry my english.
Edited by mkclan - 3/23/12 at 12:59pm
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Look at NewEgg for example. They have every 7970 in stock now. At the same time every 680 is sold out. Nvidia has done it again even though they were late to the party. The 7970 will not sell unless they drop the prices. Hopefully this will lower the price of the 7990 as well. On a side note kudos to Nvidia for beating Amd in BF3 benchmarks. BF3 is the latest and greatest game at the moment and imo the better performing card on BF3 will ultimately sell more gpu's.

You're going based on what's in stock at one vendor, and that's it. How do we know what the initial stock level of the 680's were? the 7970's? Sure, the price difference will cause a disruption, but you're missing a lot of necessary info to draw exact conclusions..
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Max OC so far they look about even going off of VR-zone's 7970 at 1250 and GTX 680 at 1335. Both cards can probabally go higher on air though with good chips. My 7970 will hit 1300 for example. I'm sure someone out there will get one to 1375 or so before the 680 starts to max out it's air cooled OC potential.

Also lol @ people who think they have any idea how either card is actually selling. As far as I know AMD/Nvidia never release sales figures for individual cards and what's in stock or out of stock on Newegg doesn't mean anything. Now I'm sure the 680 is currently out selling the 7970 (well duh) but I highly doubt AMD stopped moving cards and I also highly doubt AMD is going to keep their card at 550 for very long. I hope not anyways because I want another one or two.

And at Arizonian one of the reasons I like AMD is actually a driver reason. It's way easier to get high quality AA working on AMD cards. Downloading Inspector and looking for driver bits was always a pain for me on my 480s. I always ended up on some foreign site trying to piece thru German posts to get SGSSAA working properly. Dx10/11 titles all now work with forced SSAA which for an IQ junkie like me is a huge thing. Price/Performance has always been whatever to me give me a card that's going to play games well and I will buy it as long as it's reasonable. Also while Nvidia is using a small die let's not act like AMD is all of a sudden using a big one. The 7970 core is still pretty small all things considering. If AMD wanted to do a GTX580 type core with Tahiti I'm sure they could they have a ton of room but since the 48** series AMD has said large dies are no longer part of their strategy.
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Max OC so far they look about even going off of VR-zone's 7970 at 1250 and GTX 680 at 1335. Both cards can probabally go higher on air though with good chips. My 7970 will hit 1300 for example. I'm sure someone out there will get one to 1375 or so before the 680 starts to max out it's air cooled OC potential.
Also lol @ people who think they have any idea how either card is actually selling. As far as I know AMD/Nvidia never release sales figures for individual cards and what's in stock or out of stock on Newegg doesn't mean anything. Now I'm sure the 680 is currently out selling the 7970 (well duh) but I highly doubt AMD stopped moving cards and I also highly doubt AMD is going to keep their card at 550 for very long. I hope not anyways because I want another one or two.
And at Arizonian one of the reasons I like AMD is actually a driver reason. It's way easier to get high quality AA working on AMD cards. Downloading Inspector and looking for driver bits was always a pain for me on my 480s. I always ended up on some foreign site trying to piece thru German posts to get SGSSAA working properly. Dx10/11 titles all now work with forced SSAA which for an IQ junkie like me is a huge thing. Price/Performance has always been whatever to me give me a card that's going to play games well and I will buy it as long as it's reasonable.

You forgotten the bad chips. I can only do 1175Mhz unless i crank up the fans speeds.
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OCZ Agility 3 60GB WD Caviar Green 1.5TB 2 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB XSPC Raystorm 
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EK-FC7970 XSPC RS360 Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit Corsair TX750 
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