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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
  • 37% (130)
    AMD 7970
  • 62% (214)
    GTX 680
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Some more overclocked information. It's really starting to look to me like these two cards are in a dead heat.

Also I saw this on Beyond3d and thought it interesting.

Card Price FPS $/Perf (lower = better)
7970 $549 34 16.15
680 $499 32 15.59
580 $499 28 17.82
7870 $349 27 12.93
560Ti448 $269 23 11.70

7870 price not nearly as bad as I thought it was. 560ti definitely the card of 2011 in my eyes for your average gamer.
    
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Disabled PhysX eye candy for the AMD card. Hell yeah that was going to beat it in this instance.
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For anyone glancing at the results on this page it would seem like a clear win for AMD however the tables don't tell the full story. Arkham City takes full advantage of NVIDIA PhysX to enhance image quality, including advanced cloth, paper and particle effects. These really do add to the realism and immersiveness of the game and the extra work required does drop performance. That said we can disable the technology if we wish and that brings the GTX 680 up towards the reference 7970 scores in this game.

Have you been reading all the benchmarks? Your picking only benches were AMD wins, we're not fools here dude.....tongue.gif

So let's look at Multiple monitors with insane resolution and where the 680 has 1GB less than the 7970. Also an area that Nvidia is new to and AMD has been the sole GPU to accomplish this for years. Let's also take the benches from HardOCP an AMD favorite website. Should kill the 680 right?

Most popular FPS game out there right now.

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Here is the same Batman Arkam City game and both run without PhysX to be fair to AMD where it N/A.

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Here is an AMD sponsered game even. This I couldn't believe because it wasn't as comparable like the other two.

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This game AMD has a slight edge and has across all the benches I've seen from other review sites.

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Your trying to prove this entire thread your point is failed. Most of us here have stated it OVER and OVER that both are great cards and this time it's not as easy as who's 'king of the hill'.

So we fall back on the other features and pricing to really determine the winner.

Nvidia - Multiple moinitors comparably so AMD can't claim this arena this round anylonger, Adaptive V-sync (better addressed micro-stutter than ever before) something AMD has never addressed, lower power consumption something AMD used to win every series round too, unrivaled 3D Vision an area where Nvidia excelled even further from last year where AMD wasn't even close to doing it right, and one of the most important points = less expensive price / performance arena where AMD used to also claim year after year and no longer the case. Should they drop price then I'd say it's a dead even match with no winner.

Obviously our opinions on which is better may vary and to be honest there's no loser this round because we've got some amazing performance at stock or over clocked than previous gen cards easily. You poll will be just a popularity contest. Trying to persuade us to think differnetly may work for your less tech savvy friends but not the majority of OCN members. wink.gif
     
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Everyone has already seen the stock numbers and no one is really concerned dude. The OC numbeers are coming out now and it seems to be a dead tie. Also another thing I picked up off Beyond3d. Love this site people there really know what they are talking about. Power consumption increases faster on 680 when OC'd. Not by a lot but it's worth knowing.

As well at the overclocked settings, power consumption increases faster per mhz overclocked on the GTX 680 (~5.295 mhz/watt) than it does on the 7970 (~5.357 mhz/watt).

Some more reaction by actual game devs to 680/7970 and whether either would be viable in next-gen consoles. Also talking about how Compute actually is relevant to some things in gaming which I honestly did not know.


I note this because it seems one of the areas NV was able to cut power and die space while pumping up performance/mm^2 was they drastically reduced their full rate DP performance to 1/24th speed SP. This (and other?) changes has affected a number of compute benchmarks where the GK104, which runs all over the competition, falls pretty far behind in some situations. Compute is being used in games right now (e.g. some AO approaches) and a lot of the stuff the Cell does in the PS3 that allows the PS3 to pull off effects not viable on RSX is compute-like and significant post process. Likewise AMD showed the Leo demo which is a forward renderer but used compute to cull lighting to drastically improve performance with many lights which allowed the more indepth shader complexity of a forward renderer but increase the number of lights to be more competitive with a deferred approach. With the issues of developers properly getting MSAA to work with deferred engines (especially when they miss stuff, like forgetting to AA their tone maps) and increased performance cost on a deferred engine it does seem that compute, in some situations, is an important part of new graphics hardware.

Overall especially after reading the tech report reviews that AMD is in fact "winning" (on a tech POV only though...). They have great density, great compute performances, they moved to dynamic scheduling, etc. Their last GPUs seems to have less hiccups tham Nv counter parts (see the 99th percentile for techreport). Overall to me it look like AMd is succesfully growing its architecture. They may move to more complex scheduling and their take on Nvida GPC soon.
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I'm going to have to agree, I went from two 2G 460s at 860mhz core each (Faster then a 580) Too a single 7970 and it absolutely blows them all away, And with my 7970 at 1280/1750, I am seeing enourmous results in demanding games at both 1080P and 5760x1080 (6040x1080 in my case).


7970 is king imo, and i am yet to have any driver related issues at all.


soon as the 7990 comes out i'll be grabbing one or two of them and then rolling around trying to figure out how im going to water cool it.
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Everyone has already seen the stock numbers and no one is really concerned dude. The OC numbeers are coming out now and it seems to be a dead tie. Also another thing I picked up off Beyond3d. Love this site people there really know what they are talking about. Power consumption increases faster on 680 when OC'd. Not by a lot but it's worth knowing.
As well at the overclocked settings, power consumption increases faster per mhz overclocked on the GTX 680 (~5.295 mhz/watt) than it does on the 7970 (~5.357 mhz/watt).

Fair enough. Here is an over clock benchmark from another review site. Overclock3D all the benches on this site showed both cards OC'd but for the life of me even in the test specifications I couldn't find what clocks they had the 680 OC and the 7970 OC. So no way of knowing if it was fair.


Legit Reviews. This one is not the best OC comparison again not knowing the actual OC on both cards. At least I couldn't find it.

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Some OCN members just got our 680 cards yesterday. I'm still waiting on mine. Like the 7970 release inventory is trickling as demand is hard to keep up with consumers demand right now. Mine will be here Monday if not tomorrow landing one first day by luck.

We're just starting to get our feet wet and the learning curve will take a little bit while we fully get into our cards and the new tech tinkering. The numbers will start to be posted soon enough and clocks we're reaching.

I've been closely watching the 7970 thread since it released, even gave some thought to switching myself for AMD HD3D but nothing had changed since last year so I stayed put. I watched and that's where I learned over clocking these new cards is a different beast all together. Great clocks but you have to know what to finesse to get it done right and that's also not taking into considerations the VRAM lottery.

Hopefully we can have another 'Battle Royale' like the 6990 vs 590 and we can all keep it civil again for the most part. It was interesting and an eye opener for some who thought ill of the other teams cards before the benching started and we learned both were pretty good cards all in all. smile.gif
     
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I think a face off thread would be awesome man. Looking forward to it whenever it starts up. It's gotta be nice getting those 680s in the mail! Love new hardware!

User benches will be interesting to because honestly it's kind of concerning hwo different review sites get vastly different numbers in the same game. I realize a lot of these sites are using fraps to bench though and not a build in tool so I'm not saying they are biased. All I'm saying is some apples to apples comparisons from real people will be fun.
    
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I think a face off thread would be awesome man. Looking forward to it whenever it starts up. It's gotta be nice getting those 680s in the mail! Love new hardware!
User benches will be interesting to because honestly it's kind of concerning hwo different review sites get vastly different numbers in the same game. I realize a lot of these sites are using fraps to bench though and not a build in tool so I'm not saying they are biased. All I'm saying is some apples to apples comparisons from real people will be fun.

Not to get off topic but is it just me or does the smell of shrink wrap do something for you guys too.....? whistle.gif
     
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Not to get off topic but is it just me or does the smell of shrink wrap do something for you guys too.....? whistle.gif

It gets me going. I'll tell you what though I love the cheesy graphics on GPU boxes. I've loved them since my Dad first showed me a video card (ATI All in Wonder 4mb). The funniest thing about them is they are just as awful now as they were back then.

My Asus box for my 7970 has some crazy looking horse dude on it. I don't know if anyone remembers but BFG had some pretty awesome terribad CG renders on their boxes to.
    
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It gets me going. I'll tell you what though I love the cheesy graphics on GPU boxes. I've loved them since my Dad first showed me a video card (ATI All in Wonder 4mb). The funniest thing about them is they are just as awful now as they were back then.
My Asus box for my 7970 has some crazy looking horse dude on it. I don't know if anyone remembers but BFG had some pretty awesome terribad CG renders on their boxes to.

Personally I really dug the 3DFX images. biggrin.gif After they went belly up I've been with ATI until last year.

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Ok I digress back to the debates. It was a nice breather from the current topic though.
     
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Just saw this review..
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-in-quad-sli-configuration-benchmarked/19274


The system scored an impressive 21,107 in the 3DMark11 benchmark test, comfortably beating the quad-Crossfire AMD Radeon HD 7970, which scored 20,853, and also aced the 3DMark11 Extreme test with 10,850, once again beating the quad-Crossfire AMD Radeon HD 7970, which only managed a score of 9,989.

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