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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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    AMD 7970
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    GTX 680
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post #421 of 679
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Originally Posted by freitz View Post

So which runs multiple monitors smoother?

More VRAM = vastly superior especially for MM gaming.

Look at the 1920x1080 vs. the 2560x1600 benchmarks. That is roughly what you are looking at. In most benches, when you go from the 1920x1080 to the others, AMD pulls ahead. For 3 monitors, it will be a stupid decision to go 680.

The 680 only does 4 monitors, mind you, 1 of which isn't allowed to run gaming. AMD has been at the eyefinity game for some time now and in that aspect the drivers are very mature. The issue is and has been for some time now, game support. You can have up to 6 monitors, and you can do it much more easily with the added VRAM. Get the 7970, lightning version if you really want to do 6 monitors some time in the future.
    
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420th post ^^ (and im about to smoke) EDIT: 422th because this thread is so popular before i finished typing i was 422th frown.gif

haha , good point on the post above. Whats up with comparing between different settings haha, no point!
    
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post #423 of 679
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I know your a mod and all but I don't buy that you were having multiple BSODs with your CF setups. Having owned both a CF and SLI setup and never ever experiencing a BSOD with either my thinking is that user error was involved somewhere along the line.
Flickering textures happen in some games but generally that is fixed with CAP updates and is an issue reserved for new releases. Crash to desktops every 20 minutes sounds like a huge stretch as well. I've experienced that with both SLI/CF and single card setups but never 'every twenty minutes'. If I was crashing every twenty minutes I'd go online and find something to fix it. If you can find me an example of a game that currently suffers from the "crashing to desktop every twenty minutes" in SLI/CF bug though I'd love to hear you out.
CF/SLI is not an easy way to go and that's not what I'm trying to say. People on these forums however have a tendency to blow issues wayyy out of proportion. The reality is that the biggest issue you will encounter with either setups is some games simply not supporting them.

Perhaps you should factor my 15,000 plus posts and years of membership here instead.

I have a 7970 on hand and another on the way for testing purposes. Would you like me to post pictures of the 30 or so crossfire test rigs I've built and demo'd here over the years?

Grow up and show some respect.

I do not bash products lightly. I've had many AMD products and will continue to do so. Crossfire has been a thorn in my side for years. Great performance, increasingly impressive scaling, and inconsistent as heck.
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More VRAM = vastly superior especially for MM gaming.
Look at the 1920x1080 vs. the 2560x1600 benchmarks. That is roughly what you are looking at. In most benches, when you go from the 1920x1080 to the others, AMD pulls ahead. For 3 monitors, it will be a stupid decision to go 680.
The 680 only does 4 monitors, mind you, 1 of which isn't allowed to run gaming. AMD has been at the eyefinity game for some time now and in that aspect the drivers are very mature. The issue is and has been for some time now, game support. You can have up to 6 monitors, and you can do it much more easily with the added VRAM. Get the 7970, lightning version if you really want to do 6 monitors some time in the future.

Then why does AMD fall behind in every single comparison for MM gaming? Edit: okay, not every instance. I misread a few.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1232948/7970-vs-gtx-680-who-is-the-real-king/400#post_16808692

Apparently they couldn't even get The Witcher 2 to run for the testing on the 7970...
Edited by Phantom_Dave - 3/25/12 at 8:52pm
post #425 of 679
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Originally Posted by dklimitless View Post

I wasn't going to comment in this thread. but I'd like to point out that you should observe the settings at which both benches you posted here were run tongue.gif. "Highest Playable settings" is kinda significant here haha.
Anyway, both cards are neck-in-neck for now. The GTX 680 is imho better value for now. If AMD matches the price of the GTX 680, the game will be even hotter given how well both cards OC.
All in all, buy what you want ... lol

If you look around (especially at [H] article on Deus Ex), SSAO Normal and High have a huge performance impact. The above compare isn't right. Show the apples to apples score. Normal vs Normal, or High vs High. See this:

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post #426 of 679
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If you look around (especially at [H] article on Deus Ex), SSAO Normal and High have a huge performance impact. The above compare isn't right. Show the apples to apples score. Normal vs Normal, or High vs High. See this:
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If you look at the one's I linked to that same game comes out on top for the 7970 there too...

Edit: Even though the reviews show otherwise I do think that 2GB of vram is low for MM gaming. Once enough cards are added or they are OC enough to run at high framerates I think the vram will play a bigger part. I'm still anti-AMD for my own reasons but I can't believe they only installed 2 gigs of vram on the 680. 2 gigs is barely enough for a single monitor in my experience. I've been over 1.5 gigs many times already on a single monitor.
Edited by Phantom_Dave - 3/25/12 at 9:11pm
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Either way it doesn't matter, AMD NEEDS to drop the price of the 7970 NOW.

No, you only drop pricing when your product isn't selling well. If retailers are still moving the 7970 at its current pricing, then it would be idiotic to lower it. Remember, the average person isn't scouring the internet looking at reviews and comparisons of various cards. They pick up a shiny box and make a decision based on that and you can even toss in a little bit of salesperson's input to the mix.
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No, you only drop pricing when your product isn't selling well. If retailers are still moving the 7970 at its current pricing, then it would be idiotic to lower it. Remember, the average person isn't scouring the internet looking at reviews and comparisons of various cards. They pick up a shiny box and make a decision based on that and you can even toss in a little bit of salesperson's input to the mix.

The "average person" isn't buying $500+ GPUs either my friend.

$50 may not be a big difference, but when you pay "More" for "less" is when its bass ackwards to me.

And nobody should pin me as an Nvidia fanboy, I own both and buy based off of price/performance/features not brand.

At the moment, from what I've seen on a stock 680 vs a stock 7970 is that the 680 pulls ahead and consumes less power for $50 less.

And what's this mumbo jumbo about the 680 being clocked higher than a 7970? Last I checked you cant compare "clock for clock" on AMD vs Nvidia cards. That's like comparing clock for clock on an Intel CPU and AMD cpu. (not towards you sccr64472)
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Clock per clock comparisons between AMD and intel CPUs is a very viable comparison in my opinion.

Also, with max OCs in the same range, the clock of the gtx 680 can very well be compared with the clock of the 7970. Nvidia is simply releasing a higher stock clocked gpu with a clock ceiling within error of the 7970.
    
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Thank god! Hope Team Green follows up within the next 48 hours. biggrin.gif
That's not how it works. lol
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Then again, another way of looking at it is to say that the 680 renders water cooling an expensive and unnecessary addition.
That's not a good way of looking at it. If you water cool it, then the 680 becomes even faster.
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And when the 690 comes out, it will be 100% better than the 7990 wink.gif. Just like the 590 with the 6990
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