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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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post #451 of 679
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I do not buy either that you are having that much problem. Perhaps you can start by showing some respect to jtom320's view?

? What would you like to see? Screen shots of corrupted terrain? bsod screenshots? crash to desktop is a bit of a challenge to capture. Perhaps captured video of stutter?

When someone pretty much calls me a liar, sorry but I reply in kind. Why would I respect someone insulting a statement that I can back up easiy?

Insulting another member whether or not they are a moderator is simply childish and pointless.

I currently have 9 AMD cards spread around here and 3 nvidia cards. The point is that I have no issue with the hardware on it's own. For the most part single AMD cards work fine (although my Asus 7970 is doing some wierd stuff in BF3 that I am having trouble replicating). The Crossfire issues are inconsistent. Sometimes the cards work just fine and then an issue will occur. I've tried to replicate graphic anomalies with limited success. Other issues are hit or miss. I have two 6870's in my kid's rig that run fine for a couple of weeks and then crash to desktop in a random game she is playing. Disable crossfire and the issues go away. It's frustrating more than anything else.

My current cards. I have to take a couple of shots of my 7970 as well.

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Dude I never even hinted that you were lying about anything especially not whether you owned the cards or not. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill please and try to twist what I said. What I said was that if you were having all those awful issues across so many different cards and as often as you claimed (every twenty minutes) user error was involved somewhere. BSODs should not be happening with CF or SLI setups with any kind of regularity. This would generally indicate a bigger problem. Both 5850CF and 480SLI worked pretty much error free for me. As I said in my first post every now and then you'd get flickering but 95% of the time that was cleared up with CAP updates and was generally only a problem in new releases. The reason I am with a single card now and will likely only use single or triple card setups in the future is I am extremely sensitive to Microstutter something you didn't even mention in your post. Temperature and noise to me are something you expect when you put two 250 watt cards right next to each other. People that buy these setups not expecting to deal with this were simply not prepared for what they were getting themselves into.
    
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Dude I never even hinted that you were lying about anything especially not whether you owned the cards or not. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill please and try to twist what I said. What I said was that if you were having all those awful issues across so many different cards and as often as you claimed (every twenty minutes) user error was involved somewhere. BSODs should not be happening with CF or SLI setups with any kind of regularity. This would generally indicate a bigger problem. Both 5850CF and 480SLI worked pretty much error free for me. As I said in my first post every now and then you'd get flickering but 95% of the time that was cleared up with CAP updates and was generally only a problem in new releases. The reason I am with a single card now and will likely only use single or triple card setups in the future is I am extremely sensitive to Microstutter something you didn't even mention in your post. Temperature and noise to me are something you expect when you put two 250 watt cards right next to each other. People that buy these setups not expecting to deal with this were simply not prepared for what they were getting themselves into.

Fair enough. I don't recall indicating that the issues had that frequency. Terrain corruption is pretty much ongoing in my 6 series cards in several games under crossfire. The other, more serious issues don't happen with any frequency (as I mentioned it could be a week before something goes awry). To be fair to AMD, the issues have gotten less prevalent with newer driver releases.

Heck my GTX470's in SLI had horrible issues with Bad Company 2 for almost a year before Nvidia resolved it (low gpu usage for example).

Multi cards seem to bring a host of issues with them. Personally even the smallest issues bother me. I have a friend that runs 6850's in crossfire and has flickering terrain and he doesn't seem to even notice it. I, on the other hand find it very annoying.
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Fair enough. I don't recall indicating that the issues had that frequency. Terrain corruption is pretty much ongoing in my 6 series cards in several games under crossfire. The other, more serious issues don't happen with any frequency (as I mentioned it could be a week before something goes awry). To be fair to AMD, the issues have gotten less prevalent with newer driver releases.
Heck my GTX470's in SLI had horrible issues with Bad Company 2 for almost a year before Nvidia resolved it (low gpu usage for example).
Multi cards seem to bring a host of issues with them. Personally even the smallest issues bother me. I have a friend that runs 6850's in crossfire and has flickering terrain and he doesn't seem to even notice it. I, on the other hand find it very annoying.

To be honest with you I have no idea how people don't notice Microstutter. I love the performance CF/SLI give me but I just can't stand it. I have read however that Tri-Fire/SLI all but eliminates it so I think that will be my next big setup.

My biggest gripe to be truthful with you was games releasing and having absolutely zero support for it. Skyrim was the last big one I can think of. I read though in the last Cap they finally put it in so I guess that's good but my machine running 5850s has been replaced for a long time now.
    
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Robilar I fully understand what you're saying. I mentioned once I had BSOD's and game lock ups when I went from single 6870 to crossfire and was told it was user error. I also had a lot of micro stutter which was very annoying. I moved to a single 580 and have had no driver issues, no micro stutter and free of problems for the last 13 months. Yet if you tell any AMD user that this was happening to you, they say it was an error in between the keyboard and the monitor.

Then to suggest you somehow didn't know how to correct the problem is taking your own actual knowledge in computing into question. I guess he doesn't really know who's talking to suggesting it and then trying to justify it.

I'm sure there are set ups where there are no issues unfortunately for a lot of us there are and yet the others are in disbelief because they have no problems. Denial of crossfire issues that are clearly happening to more than just a few of us.

*sarcasim* AMD is perfect, flawless, didn't you know that? rolleyes.gif
     
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For me it really comes down to the biggest and most gpu demanding game out right now. As well as my personal favorite BF3. A stock reference 680 beats out a 7970 Lightning at 1260mhz. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1455/pg6/asus-geforce-gtx-680-oc-vs-r7970-oc-vs-gtx-580-oc-performance-review-battlefield-3.html What is even more appealing is that a very small percentage of 7970's can actually even break 1200mhz let alone 1260. Then out of those who do break the 1200mhz very few are 24/7 stable. Add in a 100 dollar cheaper price tag. Its a no brainer the 680 has taken the crown. A stable cool running card for 500 dollars that is as fast as a 7970 at 1260mhz. Kudos to Nvidia.
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For me it really comes down to the biggest and most gpu demanding game out right now. As well as my personal favorite BF3. A stock reference 680 beats out a 7970 Lightning at 1260mhz. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1455/pg6/asus-geforce-gtx-680-oc-vs-r7970-oc-vs-gtx-580-oc-performance-review-battlefield-3.html What is even more appealing is that a very small percentage of 7970's can actually even break 1200mhz let alone 1260. Then out of those who do break the 1200mhz very few are 24/7 stable. Add in a 100 dollar cheaper price tag. Its a no brainer the 680 has taken the crown. A stable cool running card for 500 dollars that is as fast as a 7970 at 1260mhz. Kudos to Nvidia.

This is a bit better for real world scenario without the use of the horrible 4x MSAA reviews tend to use for BF3.
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This is a bit better for real world scenario without the use of the horrible 4x MSAA reviews tend to use for BF3.
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Yeah OK, now show me MIN FPS... rolleyes.gif

Hint: nVidia BF3 min FPS is higher by 10+ %...
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Yeah OK, now show me MIN FPS... rolleyes.gif
Hint: nVidia BF3 min FPS is higher by 10+ %...

? Looking at all reviews they have very similar min fps.
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? Looking at all reviews they have very similar min fps.

Sigh... let me find that pic from the OTHER thread... Just a minute! wink.gif
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