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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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post #491 of 679
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No game "needs" 120Hz. It's a want.
As for BF3 I can feel a clear difference between 60Hz and 120Hz even when my fps isn't hitting over 100. I have both types of monitors. The game is a lot more responsive at 120Hz.
What does any of this have to do with the OP?



No just responsiveness but also input lag is eliminated. The reason in part that it feels more responsive is that with a 60hz monitor, any frames above 60 FPS are dropped. Enabling VSYNC can help with this to a degree.

Anyone that criticizes using a 120hz monitor in conjunction with cards capable of generating the necessary frame rates obviously have never tried one for any length of time. There are a number of owner threads here for the 120hz monitors and I don't recall anyone saying they haven't seen a difference. It always seems to be criticized by those that don't have one wink.gif
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I will be buying either 2 x 680s or 2 x 7970s come this friday. Im wondering how AMDs drivers are for Xfire and if anyone has heard of the availability of the 680s currently or what they think it will be later on in the week.

Out of your questions I can only answer one in regards to the sales of the GTX 680. Right now sales are going fast just like when AMD first released the 7970. Selling out almost as soon as its showing in stock.

Even though Nvidia made sure all thier partners had stock prior to release it was gone within in an hour. I bought less than an hour after launch, had one in cart and at checkout it was no longer avail when I hit purchase. Kept hitting F5 and saw another cone back into inventory and even after cart lost it. Third try after another hour of trying before I lucked out.

I'm going to assume the reason why it came back into inventory was someone else's got rejected or cancelled after they had it in cart.

It still the same. Going like hot cakes as soon as it's available just like the 7970 was at first launch. At $499 it's a tuff deal to pass for equal performance. Good luck. Defintely worth it especially for two and save $100 to boot. smile.gif
     
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Originally Posted by Phantom_Dave View Post

No game "needs" 120Hz. It's a want.
As for BF3 I can feel a clear difference between 60Hz and 120Hz even when my fps isn't hitting over 100. I have both types of monitors. The game is a lot more responsive at 120Hz.
What does any of this have to do with the OP?

No just responsiveness but also input lag is eliminated. The reason in part that it feels more responsive is that with a 60hz monitor, any frames above 60 FPS are dropped. Enabling VSYNC can help with this to a degree.

Anyone that criticizes using a 120hz monitor in conjunction with cards capable of generating the necessary frame rates obviously have never tried one for any length of time. There are a number of owner threads here for the 120hz monitors and I don't recall anyone saying they haven't seen a difference. It always seems to be criticized by those that don't have one wink.gif

 

Nothing is more beautiful than 1600 resolution, but no way in hell would I toss out my 1080@120Hz, she sits right next to me as a satellite.

 

I can't believe more people haven't discovered 120 Hz monitors especially when even moderate GPU hardware can push most titles to at least 120 frames per second.
 

Anybody who thinks AMD drivers are top notch or stellar, simply aren't pushing their cards hard enough or playing WoW constantly.  I believe currently BF3 is geared to blow and GTAIV is un-usable on half the 7970s.  Its funny, inside the owner's thread, dozens of post about x y z not working, yet outside everyone jumps to the other side of the fence to defend these drivers.


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post #494 of 679
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... that was my point ... i just wanted him to realize it himself tongue.gif

Sorry, guess I misunderstood your post. But all in all. I have to admit, the 680 does pretty well outperform the 7970 in more than a few games. But I have a strong sense that the 7970 is being held back by drivers, AMD really need to pick this up and get drivers up to scratch. Nvidia's Geforce drivers seem to be well ahead of AMD in this department. Heck, AMD could even implement their own version of 'GPU Boost' at the driver level if they wanted to. The 7970 appears more than capable especially with the huge OC headroom available.
post #495 of 679
I just decided who was king with my wallet! Got two 7970 lightnings on the way! Couldnt resist the temptation of the 7970 given msi's lightning treatment! Hopefully drivers will be ok...
post #496 of 679
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2560 x 1600 and quality of IPS.
2560 + IPS > 120Hz

I sort of agree but not with the 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitors. I prefer the much tighter pixel pitch of the 27" 2560x1440's, plus it's easier to drive them as well (10% less pixels = measurable FPS gain). thumb.gif

The only problem is the input lag that comes with IPS, but the newer monitors seem to be much better than before (like the HP ZR2740W).
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The Problem with 120Hz is that you need to get close to 120 fps and more to benefit from it. To do this you need a lot of GPU power and at the same time being 1080p a lot of CPU power. At to the fact that you would have to CF or SLI to get those nice frames, you get away from input lag which is not a big deal if you understand that it really is and welcome stutter from dual GPUs. While Gaming might be better with 120hz having more pixels is better for everything else, having better colors is better for everything else, having better viewing angles is better for everything else.
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The Problem with 120Hz is that you need to get close to 120 fps and more to benefit from it. To do this you need a lot of GPU power and at the same time being 1080p a lot of CPU power. At to the fact that you would have to CF or SLI to get those nice frames, you get away from input lag which is not a big deal if you understand that it really is and welcome stutter from dual GPUs. While Gaming might be better with 120hz having more pixels is better for everything else, having better colors is better for everything else, having better viewing angles is better for everything else.

This.

And input lag is not an issue at all if you choose the right panels. Yes, SOME of the higher end IPS panels do have noticeable input lag that would drive even a trained monkey insane. But some of the other ones (like my 3007WFP as an example)....have very little, to the point its no different than any other LCD as far as input lag goes.

LED LCD and 120Hz panels ALL have input lag as well. Its just a matter of how noticeable it is.
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I don't notice lag on my planar 120hz. I considered going surround over 120 for a long time. I believe once you cross the 100hz threshold you notice the difference. If I was anything other than a gamer I probably would have gone IPS. IPS has its flaws as does 120hz but as a gamer I have to go 120. If there was a 120hz IPS... biggrin.gif
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I just decided who was king with my wallet! Got two 7970 lightnings on the way! Couldnt resist the temptation of the 7970 given msi's lightning treatment! Hopefully drivers will be ok...

You will be fine. Download RadeonPro. Make sure you keep up to date on Caps. Google Catalyst Creator twitter and bookmark it.

Someone up there alluded to BF3 not working on AMD drivers and it's just not true. I played BF3 on 5850CF and it worked on release day. Still can't imagine how some of you people have all these issues but whatever. I feel sorry for you. And for the record I don't think I've ever even posted in the owners thread. I'll tell you what though I am enjoying the new MSAA/SSAA options AMD added to Dx10/11 games. Just the kind of update an IQ junkie like me loves.

As far as 120hz vs IPS I definitely do notice the input lag with IPS but it's very slight and simply doesn't bother me. I'm just not the type to worry about my k/d ratio. I spend tons of money on GPUs to make it look good. 60 FPS is plenty for me. I spend time switching between my PS3 and PC so truthfully even 60 FPS on an IPS seems pretty responsive to me. I just recently finally finished MGS4 and let me tell you that game drops under 30 all the time. It just doesn't really bother me that much. People are sensitive to different things though as I said earlier Microstutter drives me nuts. I think the 120hz vs 1600p argument is kind of silly considering it's c ompletely subjective on which one you enjoy more.
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