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Poll Results: AMD 7970 of GTX 680, Who is King?

 
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    AMD 7970
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    GTX 680
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post #511 of 679
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Originally Posted by tconroy135 View Post

After looking at the Benchmarks I really couldn't see jumping from the 7970 to the 680. What i think will be interesting is if NVIDIA can release the original 680 the Gk100 before the 8970. And the pricing of the GK100.
I always wonder, but am too lazy, who makes more profit on consumer GPUs AMD or NVIDIA?

I'd imagine Nvidia. They are generally more expensive and AMD has to keep prices down to stay relevant. AMD is technically the larger company but Nvidia is in a better financial position and more focused on graphics.

If it's true that the 680 was supposed to be a mid-range card. And I'm not saying it was I believe there is a lot more to it then that including 28nm yields and the fact that it was probabally tweaked a lot from it's former incarnation. But anyway if this exact card we have now was supposed to be mid-range they are probabally making a massive profit off of it considering it was planned to be profitable at 350.

But that's all speculation AMD could very easily make more money per unit sold. Who knows for sure. We simply don't get those kind of numbers.
    
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So it should be compared clock for clock? rolleyes.gif
The fact that the 680 has 512 less stream processors and at worst case scenario trades blows with the 7970, that tells me Kepler is the more efficient architecture. But that's just me.

Nope clock for clock also. They use different architecture so g.

Btw, amd has ALWAYS had more stream processors than nvdia.
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The Problem with 120Hz is that you need to get close to 120 fps and more to benefit from it. To do this you need a lot of GPU power and at the same time being 1080p a lot of CPU power. At to the fact that you would have to CF or SLI to get those nice frames, you get away from input lag which is not a big deal if you understand that it really is and welcome stutter from dual GPUs. While Gaming might be better with 120hz having more pixels is better for everything else, having better colors is better for everything else, having better viewing angles is better for everything else.

I have very little problem pushing 120 fps on most games and I'm on a GTX580. There are some games I have to tweak the settings a little bit (like turn down AA), but for the most part it's not an issue. So anyone with either of these cards should have even less trouble. The most demanding games are the only ones I have to tweak settings for, and there's only a handful. But that's also only if I want to get up to 120 fps. Even running at 90 fps is better than 60 fps. I dunno where you get that you have to run at 120 fps to enjoy a 120Hz monitor... it's BS.

90% of the games I've bought recently were set to max settings and left there while running at 120 fps. SLI/CF isn't absolutely needed for single monitor gaming.
post #514 of 679
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Originally Posted by wardoc22 View Post

Nope clock for clock also. They use different architecture so g.
Btw, amd has ALWAYS had more stream processors than nvdia.

Exactly, that's my whole point, tell that to the OP. wink.gif

He's the one that keeps going on and on about the 680 clocked "20% faster" than the 7970, etc.
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Originally Posted by polyzp View Post

I want to see clock per clock benchmarks, theyre not even out there.. im surprised.
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Originally Posted by polyzp View Post

yes but the highest gtx 680 oc is higher than the highest 7970 oc rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by polyzp View Post

I have a feeling the difference is within error when you average it over many games. If you run both at lets say 1250/1800 Mhz, the 7970 will be the performance KING. Look at the two overclockersclub links, and see for yourself. A Lower clocked 7970 (1235) gets up in the face of the gtx 680 at 1305 Mhz. If the 7970 could be further clocked to 1305 aswell, you would notice that it either surpases the 680 overall, or its a dead tie. The difference in performance with overclocking is much more benfitial with the 7970 than with the gtx 680. If you are running at stock and only stock the 680 is the clear choice, but lets say you want to run a water loop and get the highest clock possible, the 7970 edges ahead. L2N is a different story, and so far it looks like Nvidia is ahead (barley).
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The whole point in this thread is to emphasize that 5-15% isnt actually 5-15%, given that the clock on the GTX 680 is 20% higher than the 7970, but their OC limit on a decent air or liquid cooler is within error of eachother.

I won't point to the other gazillion times he keeps saying this.
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Nope clock for clock also. They use different architecture so g.
Btw, amd has ALWAYS had more stream processors than nvdia.

Yeah they are different architectures. Nvidia does seem to have an ever so slightly more efficient architecture this round but again everything is so close I'm not sure it matters. People on Beyond3d said that on average the 7970 draws more power on stock settings however the 680's power consumption increases more per mhz overclocked. These two cards are just so close it's ridiculous and I think anyone making definitve statements about either does not have enough information yet.
    
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Shame the 680s overclocking is a bit limited, hands down I think as far as being able to overclock that victory goes to the 7970 for being the simpler of the two.

 

Sure the world record is in the GTX 680s hands but that required fraken-cards to be made.

 

You can get a 45+% overclock on 7970s on the good ones and about 30% (1200 MHz) on most others.  That's a victory I think that matters to most enthusiasts.  After all, the most impressive thing to the 580 was not only being powerful, but it had a lot of headroom to OC.

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Shame the 680s overclocking is a bit limited, hands down I think as far as being able to overclock that victory goes to the 7970 for being the simpler of the two.

Sure the world record is in the GTX 680s hands but that required fraken-cards to be made.

You can get a 45+% overclock on 7970s on the good ones and about 30% (1200 MHz) on most others.  That's a victory I think that matters to most enthusiasts.  After all, the most impressive thing to the 580 was not only being powerful, but it had a lot of headroom to OC.

3dmark 11 also seems to just be a bit faster on 680s. Thankfully for us with AMD cards (most) games are way closer or favor us. That is if that's the world record you were talking about?

Anyway yeah the 680 is not a great OCer. I don't think anyone thought that would happen a week ago. It's too bad.
    
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I bet that if AMD would step up their game in the driver section, and actually make a superior driver, they cards would perform nearly identical or the HD7970 would defeat the GTX680.
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I bet that if AMD would step up their game in the driver section, and actually make a superior driver, they cards would perform nearly identical or the HD7970 would defeat the GTX680.

Only IF... Let us know when that happens. thumb.gif
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Yeah they are different architectures. Nvidia does seem to have an ever so slightly more efficient architecture this round but again everything is so close I'm not sure it matters. People on Beyond3d said that on average the 7970 draws more power on stock settings however the 680's power consumption increases more per mhz overclocked. These two cards are just so close it's ridiculous and I think anyone making definitve statements about either does not have enough information yet.

Fermi was already good. Kepler improved on Fermi. AMD's GCN is somewhere between Fermi and Kepler and we can expect the enhanced GCN on Sea Islands to be better than Kepler but not as good as Maxwell. Kepler is the current King no matter what those with AMD cards (myself included) have to deal with. The fact that nvidia used the Gk104 is what is really interesting, GK104 should be competing with Pitcairn and not Tahiti unless AMD have another core up their sleeves (Tenerife?) that is gonna blow away even the GK100 (or GK110). I'll be happy with my 7970 for now, but AMD better sort out these drivers soon. 79xx users deserve at least that much from AMD for coughing up our hard earned cash on their top-tier card.
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