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I think a lot of it is public opinion. There are a lot of high end machines on OCN, and the automatic answer to anyone stating "what processor do I want for gaming" is 2500K. I would have to agree that for someone that is looking for an upgrade from an older processor, the 2500K (and likely Ivy equivalent) is the best way to go for gaming, but that doesn't mean I would suggest selling off your bulldozer processor if the extra power isnt needed. This community has gotten so used to just suggesting 2500K for processor, Corsair PSUs and Crucial SSDs, that people with no real knowledge of why these are the best are suggesting them as well to others, and no other options are being considered. There are times where bulldozer isnt going to cut it, and a new processor would be needed, but I would say that anyone that just games using single cards is more than fine with a 8120 or 8150.

^^^ thanx explains it all thumb.gif
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Price/Performance ratio is beginning to point to Intel lately. Before AMD used to extremely cheap compared to Intel, and was still decently fast for the price. But as of late with Bull Dozer, the prices are either matched or greater than most Intels. Then Bull Dozer got over hyped and everyone thought they were going to be so much better, but then ended up being slightly under par with the 2500/2600's for roughly the same price. And AMD's main selling point before was that it was great for those budget builds that wanted a decent amount of performce for the price, but now? No reason not to go with Intel.
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The i52500k can almost beat the fx8150 both overclocked to 4.7++ghz consuming a lot less power. In high-threaded stuff, in single threaded, double-threaded the i5 2500k beats the BD no doubt.

I my self regret buying a 990FX mobo before the processor came out.
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2500k just outperform any amd cpu in game...

Why should somone invest in something weaker than a cheaper-&-better cpu?
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I have a 2500K desktop , thats true , but i got recently an AMD Llano laptop , and its awsome , i'm looking forward seeing how amd handles mobile computing . That one is surely a win that their on Chip GPU ( apu ) can run modern games pretty well , and it even has a hybrid crossfire function ( APU x dedicated GPU )
If Amd polishes their Bulldozer architecture , they can score big time . The SB was a major success for Intel , and saddly the BD could not beat it after even 1 year . I highly threaded apps the 8 Core is winning over the 2500k , but not so well against the 2600k .
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2500k just outperform any amd cpu in game...
Why should somone invest in something weaker than a cheaper-&-better cpu?

I wouldn't if I had nothing to start with. However, if I owned an 8120 + mobo, and maybe a 6970, would buying a 2500K really do much for me? Probably not. I would always buy the 2500K before the 8120/50, but I don't think I would sell it all off to get a 2500K for the sole reason that OCN told me to.
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The i52500k can almost beat the fx8150 both overclocked to 4.7++ghz consuming a lot less power. In high-threaded stuff, in single threaded, double-threaded the i5 2500k beats the BD no doubt.
I my self regret buying a 990FX mobo before the processor came out.

multi-threaded BD pulls ahead..... but ya I see your point


if you ever decide to change to intel I'll buy your mobo!
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As long as there are console ports, there will not be many "hugely multi-threaded" games, we will always be limited by what consoles have. Battlefield 3 is an exception to the standard. Many modern games we play now don't support more than 2 threads. Skyrim, arguably the largest game of the year, uses only 2 threads. The difference between SB and FX is staggering once you take into account a overclocked SB vs an overclocked FX chip. I changed over from a 955 BE to a 2600k over the Winter, and I can attest that everything feels smoother and it is all around better to play games on. The reason why the 8150 performs so well against Sandy Bridge in Battlefield 3 is that most people's setups are GPU-bound due to the graphic intensity of the game. Pickup a more CPU-Bound game like Starcraft 2 or Skyrim and you'll see SB pull ahead because of the IPC increase.

This comparison says it all 2500k vs 8150

I don't understand brand loyalty either. Why stay loyal to one brand forever? I buy whatever is best at the time of purchase, doesn't matter what brand. I just bought a 680 because it is better at the games I play versus the 7970. I bought a 2600k because it was better than the 8150.
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by multi-threaded I mean games like BF3... ya know... games that can actually take advantage of moar than 4 cores........ I think its a safe assumption that most new games will be like this.... but hey, I could be wrong

You shouldnt even use BF3 as an example, that game is so Graphically intensive unless you are running 800x600 your CPU will stay at insanely low usage. The 2500K will beat the FX-8 core in most commonly used applications. Just due to architecture. If I am not mistaken, the FX-8 Core will only come out on top when 3D-rendering, and it will beat intel by about 100%. But that is what the 2600K is for. Gaming wise, with price:performance in mind, it is best to spend your money on a i3-2100, and grab some amazing GPU(s), especially for BF3. GPU's are where it's at for BF3.
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by multi-threaded I mean games like BF3... ya know... games that can actually take advantage of moar than 4 cores........ I think its a safe assumption that most new games will be like this.... but hey, I could be wrong
Usage of just 4 cores is not really heavily threaded. wink.gif

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As long as there are console ports, there will not be many "hugely multi-threaded" games, we will always be limited by what consoles have. Battlefield 3 is an exception to the standard. Many modern games we play now don't support more than 2 threads. Skyrim, arguably the largest game of the year, uses only 2 threads.

This is incorrect....
1) XBox 360 is a triple-core while the PS3 is a quint-core so they already support more than 2 cores.
2) Threads can always just be spawned and the OS will manage them


Most modern games spawn much more than 2 threads..... I believe BF3 spawns 20-40 threads. However, the majority of the threads are minor. The issue with games is that they are real-time and require user input. Being the case, most of the processing is dependent on the user so this limits the threadiness.
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