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I'm finally going to build a new machine from the ground up. My 2 priorities are noise and overclockability.  After doing some research, it seems that watercooling is the only way to go and that I want low speed fans which means a thick radiator (with low fpi I think? Less than 9?). I will not ever run SLI so I will be doing a single loop with a CPU block, GPU block, and motherboard blocks if available. The CPU will be a 3930k and the minimum overclock I will accept is 4.5 GHz. The GPU will be a GTX 680.

 

So with that said, the question is will a RX360 rad with either AP-15 or Noiseblocker (this one comes up a lot but I don't know how it's rated for static pressure) fans be enough or do I need to move up to a RX480? The second question that flows from the answer to the 1st question is does it make a difference to do the typical push/pull config, or will just having fans on one side of the rad pushing air through be enough?

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With the AP-15, even slowed down with a controller, you will be better off with the thin EX360. Both the RX360 and EX360 will do fine for the loop you propose. If you end up running the fans above 1000rpm, the EX is a better choice, as well as it being cheaper than the RX.
 
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RX is better if you keep your fans below 1000 RPM.
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With the AP-15, even slowed down with a controller, you will be better off with the thin EX360. Both the RX360 and EX360 will do fine for the loop you propose. If you end up running the fans above 1000rpm, the EX is a better choice, as well as it being cheaper than the RX.

I admit I know very little about watercooling (as this is the first time I'm doing anything with it), but the RX or EX 360 will really be enough to cool off both components? I was doing some more research now and I found that the GTX 680 is rated at 195W TDP and the 3930k at 130W TDP. However, once overclocked that 3930k seems to use upwards of 300W at load and the GTX 680 somewhere between 250-275W. Therefore, at load that would be minimum of 500W of cooling needed, probably closer to 550W. So a RX or EX 360 would be enough to handle that kind of heat output?
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Depends what kind of air-to-water deltas you want, but it would provide much better cooling than the components still using heatsink/fans.
 
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As mentioned above, the EX rad will be better if you plan to run Gentle Typhoons. A push config will be good enough. Even without undervolting, the gentle Typhoons are very quiet. I should know as I am using two of them.

You can barely hear them with the entire room silent, and NOT hear them AT ALL when you are playing something on your speakers. And the rig is like a feet from my ears.

Then again, if you plan to run cheap low speed Yate Loons, the RX rad will be better, and it will look beastlier. However, if I'm not wrong, the EX rad + GTs are cheaper than the Yate Loons and RX, and the EX set performs better as well. (Someone please correct me if I;m wrong)

Tip: check out Bundymania's review: http://www.overclock.net/t/1190800/bundymania-user-review-triple-radiator-360-roundup-16-rads-tested
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If you want to cool both a 3930 and a gtx680 get a quad rad if it fits your case. It all depends on the delta you are after. You can give it a shot with a quad rad + 4xap15 and if temps dont satisfy you, you can always add one more rad. Are you going to use the Lian Li case in your sig?
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Depends what kind of air-to-water deltas you want, but it would provide much better cooling than the components still using heatsink/fans.

Thanks for the continuing help, AngryButcher. I appreciate it greatly as I try to learn as much as I can before buying all the parts.

I don't want the CPU going over 60-65 degrees at load at the minimum 4.5GHz, and the GPU no higher than 70 degrees.
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As mentioned above, the EX rad will be better if you plan to run Gentle Typhoons. A push config will be good enough. Even without undervolting, the gentle Typhoons are very quiet. I should know as I am using two of them.
You can barely hear them with the entire room silent, and NOT hear them AT ALL when you are playing something on your speakers. And the rig is like a feet from my ears.
Then again, if you plan to run cheap low speed Yate Loons, the RX rad will be better, and it will look beastlier. However, if I'm not wrong, the EX rad + GTs are cheaper than the Yate Loons and RX, and the EX set performs better as well. (Someone please correct me if I;m wrong)
Tip: check out Bundymania's review: http://www.overclock.net/t/1190800/bundymania-user-review-triple-radiator-360-roundup-16-rads-tested
this will probably help you make your decision a lot easier.

Thank you for that link, as the breakdown makes it REALLY clear which one to go with based on fan speed. The EX360 really does perform better than the RX360, but based on what you said it seems like noise will not be an issue even with the higher fan speeds. The GT AP-15 fan is rated at 28dB but that's at full speed @ 1800 RPM. Based on the link, I should be able to scale them down with the EX360 to about 1500RPM and still get insanely good Delta-T of 6 degrees.
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If you want to cool both a 3930 and a gtx680 get a quad rad if it fits your case. It all depends on the delta you are after. You can give it a shot with a quad rad + 4xap15 and if temps dont satisfy you, you can always add one more rad. Are you going to use the Lian Li case in your sig?

As I said above to AngryButcher, I don't want the CPU going over 60-65 degrees at load at the minimum 4.5GHz, and the GPU no higher than 70 degrees. But it sounds like the 360 rad won't be enough and I need a 480 rad instead?

I will be buying a new case, and based on what I've seen there are very few cases that will support a 480 rad without modification or that have good airflow through the case (even though I'm using watercooling, I still want there to be good airflow through the case for the hard drives, and the MOSFETs/VRMs around the CPU.)
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+1 to the comments reco'ing the EX.
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Yea, it seems like the best choice for a 360 slim rad.

Bump for an answer whether a 360 rad will be enough or if I need a 480 rad for my setup.
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Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 ATX Custom Lian-Li PC-61 Logitech MX1000 
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None 
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AMD Athlon XP 2200+ Throughbred A Asus A7V333 Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti 4600 Patriot 512MB PC-2700 
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Seagate Barracuda 120GB TDK CDRW5200B / TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1612 Windows XP Home SP2 Samsung SyncMaster 700NF (BEST CRT FTW!) 
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Microsoft Internet Keyboard Antec Truepower 430W Antec SX1040BII Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 
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