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Yet most 4K screens nowadays are in the 50" range. I don't think it's fair to criticize Windows for not scaling well in a situation that doesn't occur. Panasonic's 20" 4K display won't be on the market for quite a while, I bet, so that's not an issue. I'd wager it's not difficult to fix something like that, so when it's close to it being a problem, I don't see why MS wouldn't do the same thing Apple did and work on rescaling their UI.

Yeah, they certainly can do the same thing. His statement was about the present though and why it isn't feasible. Well, it is with Lion and Mountain Lion in a couple months. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to this. People complain about the dot pitch of a 1080P monitor going from 22" to 27" already.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/24/12 at 1:40am
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Dead Pixel time!
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I doubt it.
I'll buy the technology, but not from Apple. High end PC users have been waiting for larger than 2560x1600 panels for close to 10 years now. Kinda sad if Apple is the first to actually bring it to market.

And this is exactly what I said about the iPad 3 having a "retina" display a few months ago when it was still a rumour.

I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen Macs have 2880 x 1800 or higher displays.
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And this is exactly what I said about the iPad 3 having a "retina" display a few months ago when it was still a rumour.
I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen Macs have 2880 x 1800 or higher displays.

This is more or less what we'd when Macs go retina:

11 inch MacBook Air: 1366x768 (16:9) > 2732x1536 (270 PPI)
13 inch MacBook Air: 1440x900 (16:10) > 2880x1800 (255 PPI)

13 inch MacBook Pro: 1440x900 (16:10) > 2880x1800 (255 PPI)
(Current resolution is 1280x720, I expect it to change to 1400x900 though.)

15 inch MacBook Pro: 1680x1050 (16:10) > 3360x2100 (257 PPI)
(Current resolution is 1440x900.)

17 inch MacBook Pro: 1920x1200 (16:10) > 3840x2400 (266 PPI)

21 inch iMac: 1920x1080 (16:9) > 3840x2160 (205 PPI) Or...
21 inch iMac: 2560x1440 (16:9) > 5160x2880 (273 PPI)
(Technically they're 21.5 inches.)

27 inch iMac: 2560x1440 (16:9) > 5120x2880 (217 PPI) Or...
27 inch iMac: 2560x1440 (16:9) > 7680x4320 (326 PPI)

The 5160x2880 21.5 inch iMac and 7680x4320 27 inch iMac are very unlikely... but they'd be so awesome biggrin.gif
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I could use 370 DPI, but a 15" 4Kx2K screen is approximately 300 DPI, which is close enough for the time being. Considering 4K will be the new standard for media it actually makes sense to put that in a laptop.

Why would you need it though? As I said, monitors typically sit 2-4 times further away than tablets/phones, so a 370 DPI computer screen would be like a 740-1480 DPI tablet, which is absolutely unnecessary. I'm typing this from a 1920x1200 17" monitor in which I can barely see individual pixels (with better than 20/20 vision). I'm normally arguing for a higher DPI in the threads where people don't understand why it's necessary on tablets or phones. It's actually somewhat ironic, people were complaining that tablets were getting a higher DPI before monitors, when the monitors didn't need it and the tablets did. As I said before, DPI in itself means nothing, the arc-length of each pixel in your view it what matters (arc-length being the amount of your eye's field-of-view that the pixel takes up). If we're talking about arc-length, most 1080p monitors 24" and less have a similar pixel arc-length to that of a "retina" display tablet/phone, so saying you want a higher DPI monitor is equivalent to saying the new iPad still needs a higher DPI.
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Dead Pixel time!

For the longest time I thought that this was the reason high-res screens were so expensive, but after reading about all the 4K screens that have been produced, I don't think it's actually an issue. I would be willing to accept 4x the number of dead pixels with 4x the resolution if that's what it takes to keep prices reasonable.

Also note, once you move to a resolution where individual pixels actually are indistinguishable from each other (lets say, 24" 8Kx4K), dead pixels become much less relevant. You would need a cluster of them to significantly impact image quality.
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2560*1440 monitors can be had for as little as $400 thumb.gif
There are displays that are higher than 2560*1600 confused.gif
I think what you mean is "We've been waiting 10 years for video cards that aren't of the workstation class that can support monitors above 2560*1600"

400?!

i had to pay double that (+ shipping) for mine

thats 27" inch

cheapest i could find, after weeks of searching
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Please don't start that argument. Look at the prices of 2560x1440 displays, they're quite a bit more compared to 1080p displays.
So yes, obviously a 2880x1800 display is going to be more than the lower-res displays, regardless of who makes either.

This is Apple that charge £800+ for 24GB of DDR3 memory?
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Why would you need it though? As I said, monitors typically sit 2-4 times further away than tablets/phones, so a 370 DPI computer screen would be like a 740-1480 DPI tablet, which is absolutely unnecessary. I'm typing this from a 1920x1200 17" monitor in which I can barely see individual pixels (with better than 20/20 vision). I'm normally arguing for a higher DPI in the threads where people don't understand why it's necessary on tablets or phones. It's actually somewhat ironic, people were complaining that tablets were getting a higher DPI before monitors, when the monitors didn't need it and the tablets did. As I said before, DPI in itself means nothing, the arc-length of each pixel in your view it what matters (arc-length being the amount of your eye's field-of-view that the pixel takes up). If we're talking about arc-length, most 1080p monitors 24" and less have a similar pixel arc-length to that of a "retina" display tablet/phone, so saying you want a higher DPI monitor is equivalent to saying the new iPad still needs a higher DPI.


"Need" is a pretty subjective term . I would agree that laptop screen res isn't as "important" as in a tablet or large screen, but if Apple believes it will push more units at the same margins they're accustom to, then more power to 'em! I personally would love it. It would be a very strong selling point; as evidenced by iPhone 4 and iPad 3 sales; people love them some nice high dpi displays.
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While I dislike Apple and will not buy anything from them, it's nice to see them actually doing something to advance the industry in a meaningful way for once in recent history instead of just coming up with ways to get money out of people without technological progression.

Glad someone finally pushed for higher rez screens. I've been waiting 10 years now.
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