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More to the point, what sort of an an employer asks for your password? Does this mean you can ask him private questions too like whats your card number?
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@ Rubers - Good point. I always found the notion that you could be fired for relatively minor infractions in the USA (this varies from state to state, of course) to be quite perturbing. Having said that, I never set up a FB account precisely because of what is now coming to pass.

If you get fired from a job for a terrible reason, you probably don't want to work there in the first place. I think some people are forgetting that there is an army of employees out there who do nothing but freeload and would kill to get into a position where firing them was difficult. I'm not saying they should be able to cut your benefits and kick you to the curb over anything at all, but employees certainly shouldn't be given some free pass card. I know people making $60k plus benefits that do less work in 6 months than I do in a week, because they can't be fired.

Would YOU hire that same person to help build your struggling small company?

You absolutely should be scared you will lose your job, otherwise most people won't try. And I mean that in terms of people who don't try, you shouldn't be abjectly afraid for your job, only if you are a bad employee. Facebook... a bit much, but you can't deny where it is all coming from.

Now I sound like I'm defending it too much. Just making sure it's seen for what it is in practicality.
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If you get fired from a job for a terrible reason, you probably don't want to work there in the first place. I think some people are forgetting that there is an army of employees out there who do nothing but freeload and would kill to get into a position where firing them was difficult. I'm not saying they should be able to cut your benefits and kick you to the curb over anything at all, but employees certainly shouldn't be given some free pass card. I know people making $60k plus benefits that do less work in 6 months than I do in a week, because they can't be fired.
Would YOU hire that same person to help build your struggling small company?
You absolutely should be scared you will lose your job, otherwise most people won't try. And I mean that in terms of people who don't try, you shouldn't be abjectly afraid for your job, only if you are a bad employee. Facebook... a bit much, but you can't deny where it is all coming from.
Now I sound like I'm defending it too much. Just making sure it's seen for what it is in practicality.
Yeah, that's just stupid, but I'd rather have that happen then people be fired for nothing. It's the lesser of two evils and it doesn't affect me (just the companies purse).
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Bravo... a company standing up for what seems obvious to me doesn't warrant much praise though.
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Yeah, that's just stupid, but I'd rather have that happen then people be fired for nothing. It's the lesser of two evils and it doesn't affect me (just the companies purse).

What about being invested in the company you work for?

Some people just collect checks and don't care about the organization that employs them, and other employees put all their effort in to see the venture succeed. Optimally, you surround yourself with a group of people who work toward a common goal, and cull the people who perceive their actions as inconsequential. A company can and should be a team of like minded people, part of that is making sure people who have bad habits and don't share the same goal don't make it into your team.

I see loose hiring and firing policies as the lesser of two evils because the purpose of employment is not to pay you a check, it is to achieve the organization's goals. Allowing people who are not in line with those goals to be easily removed is more productive than protecting their positions when they are not producing results for the organization. I think the whole "You're fired because I said so" thing happens a lot less than the "Wow, I wish we could fire that guy" situation.

For some reason I feel like I'm playing devil's advocate with myself.
    
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What about being invested in the company you work for?
Some people just collect checks and don't care about the organization that employs them, and other employees put all their effort in to see the venture succeed. Optimally, you surround yourself with a group of people who work toward a common goal, and cull the people who perceive their actions as inconsequential. A company can and should be a team of like minded people, part of that is making sure people who have bad habits and don't share the same goal don't make it into your team.
I see loose hiring and firing policies as the lesser of two evils because the purpose of employment is not to pay you a check, it is to achieve the organization's goals. Allowing people who are not in line with those goals to be easily removed is more productive than protecting their positions when they are not producing results for the organization. I think the whole "You're fired because I said so" thing happens a lot less than the "Wow, I wish we could fire that guy" situation.
For some reason I feel like I'm playing devil's advocate with myself.

No, I'm with you. I invest myself and my time in the company I work for and I choose carefully who I work for. And I can agree it's crappy that those people don't pull their weight and there are those that keep their head just above water to stay unnoticed. The people who don't pull their weight are easy to get rid of. Very easy. The other people (water head above) those guys are OK.
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