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Whether it is video or not is besides the point. Your reasoning was wrong. A movie is not smooth just because the framerate is constant which is what you were implying when you said the quoted part, and games aren't choppy because they suffer from "an inherent problem in that in most situations you will have dips and drops." Rather, gaming's problem is that it consists of still images.

So a video doesn't consist of still images? I'm sorry, but if you're trying to say that somehow you won't notice a game going from 100fps to 30fps every few seconds, while what you will notice is that it is a bunch of still images run together... well I'm not sure you have any room to call my reasoning poor.

I pointed out multiple reasons why games feel choppy, and why videos seem smooth at the same or similar frame rates. My whole original point was that human eyes don't see in FPS as the other guy was trying to say.
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ummm, and about 4/5 times overkill for what your eyes can process?
lol?

an apple fanboy no doubt.
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an apple fanboy no doubt.

what does that have anything to do with apple?
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what does that have anything to do with apple?

Didn't apple spend a while trying to convince people that the human eye couldn't see past like 30FPS or something? I don't remember exactly.
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what does that have anything to do with apple?

Didn't apple spend a while trying to convince people that the human eye couldn't see past like 30FPS or something? I don't remember exactly.

I don't ever recall something like this from Apple, although I do remember SOMEONE doing this.
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Ah the ole 120hz / 60hz / 30fps "debate". Take my advice people. If you have to make more than one post trying to convince someone, give up trying. You'll live longer.
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So a video doesn't consist of still images? I'm sorry, but if you're trying to say that somehow you won't notice a game going from 100fps to 30fps every few seconds, while what you will notice is that it is a bunch of still images run together... well I'm not sure you have any room to call my reasoning poor.
I pointed out multiple reasons why games feel choppy, and why videos seem smooth at the same or similar frame rates. My whole original point was that human eyes don't see in FPS as the other guy was trying to say.

Video consists of still images with motion blur on. I already explained that.

I'm not questioning what you say about FPS dips, it's just not the reason why games look choppy.
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Video consists of still images with motion blur on. I already explained that.
I'm not questioning what you say about FPS dips, it's just not the reason why games look choppy.

Right. And what does a game with motion blur on do? That is exactly how consoles hide their outdated hardware. I was never arguing that point at all, however if you can achieve a good frame rate without a lot of variation the game will seem to display more smoothly. I'm not saying its going to be like real life here, just that it will be a better experience than if there are wild variations (those are usually where people create threads going "waaah my machine is stuttering"). I don't think I said at any point that a game will look like a movie on a 120hz screen, just that it will play smoother especially on vsync than a 60hz counterpart.
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Right. And what does a game with motion blur on do? That is exactly how consoles hide their outdated hardware. I was never arguing that point at all, however if you can achieve a good frame rate without a lot of variation the game will seem to display more smoothly. I'm not saying its going to be like real life here, just that it will be a better experience than if there are wild variations (those are usually where people create threads going "waaah my machine is stuttering"). I don't think I said at any point that a game will look like a movie on a 120hz screen, just that it will play smoother especially on vsync than a 60hz counterpart.

Motion blur in most games simulates a thing seen with recorded video. In reality, turning your head does not cause motion blur. If you look into it, moving your eyes around actually makes the brain black out the movement to avoid making you dizzy. Motion blur from looking around is only something that happens on a video camera. I get a headache from heavy motion blur and find that it's annoying for FPS games. I look forward to game developers making motion blur that works on moving objects and not head movements. I do believe some games implement it, but the masking motion blur from head movements kills it. I agree that motion blur, as it is used today, hides low framerates.

Your post came off as a comparison between movie and game which is why I decided to chime in.
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Motion blur in most games simulates a thing seen with recorded video. In reality, turning your head does not cause motion blur. If you look into it, moving your eyes around actually makes the brain black out the movement to avoid making you dizzy. Motion blur from looking around is only something that happens on a video camera. I get a headache from heavy motion blur and find that it's annoying for FPS games. I look forward to game developers making motion blur that works on moving objects and not head movements. I do believe some games implement it, but the masking motion blur from head movements kills it. I agree that motion blur, as it is used today, hides low framerates.
Your post came off as a comparison between movie and game which is why I decided to chime in.

Yeah, I was not trying to compare the two directly, just the idea that people see in FPS. I dislike motion blur a lot as well, I prefer sharp/crisp images.
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