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I'm debating on it.. GTX 580 still sitting here.
If GTX 680s in a month or two are going to be overclocking so much better and have voltage control, then it will make this card useless. It will also make this card very hard to resell. Well we should have 30 days to decide... I don't think these cards can step up (if you got EVGA), and even if they could i don't think they allow you to step up to difference versions of the same model.

It takes a few weeks after launch to get proper OC support. 3 days after launch isn't a need for panic.
I wouldn't dream of going back to AMD just for a few more MHz like a few others are saying. The 7970s are hard to resell right now.
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Well now, I wouldn't go that far. What kind of performance are you getting at that "pitiful" +135/+515???
Also, I'm confused why you are so worried about extended stability. With a GTX 680 I would just find the max possible OC for whatever given application, get your scores, and be done with it. There's no need at all to run a 24/7 OC with dynamic clocks that yield such amazing FPS in any game at completely stock settings....

My performance is great but if people are going to be getting 2-3x higher overclockers in just a month then it makes me feel scammed. Overclocking comes first for me, gaming second. I don't care if i'm getting this card already maxes everything or not.. if it doesn't have voltage control and doesn't overclock well it doesn't really interest me.

NVIDIA seems to have purposely locked down the BIOS and voltage control on these cards knowing that people like us would double dip when non-reference comes out.

EVGAJacob stated on twitter all cards should be getting +150 core with no voltage mods. I twittered him and said I have 2 EVGA cards that are getting no where near that.
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It takes a few weeks after launch to get proper OC support. 3 days after launch isn't a need for panic.
I wouldn't dream of going back to AMD just for a few more MHz.

I wouldn't go back to AMD even if this card was 20% slower. Drivers... tongue.gif
Edited by Murlocke - 3/24/12 at 10:32pm
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I'm debating on it.. GTX 580 still sitting here.
If GTX 680s in a month or two are going to be overclocking so much better and have voltage control, then it will make this card useless. It will also make this card very hard to resell. Well we should have 30 days to decide... I don't think these cards can step up (if you got EVGA), and even if they could i don't think they allow you to step up to difference versions of the same model.
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I admit it is tempting to simply grab a cheaper card and wait it out...... this new information from user experiences and digging I've done definitely put the dampers on oc'ing excitement around this card as a reference design. Non-ref's should be crazy as the GK104 Kepler chip appears to have substantial headroom with higher voltages forced via hardware mods (on reference).

Didn't you ask yourselves why no one knew about this serious limitation, the shrouded mystery is almost machiavellian?
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Well now, I wouldn't go that far. What kind of performance are you getting at that "pitiful" +135/+515???
Also, I'm confused why you are so worried about extended stability. With a GTX 680 I would just find the max possible OC for whatever given application, get your scores, and be done with it. There's no need at all to run a 24/7 OC with dynamic clocks that yield such amazing FPS in any game at completely stock settings....

This is definitely very true. With a simple 100mhz OC you guys are still getting absolutely ridiculous performance. As a fellow enthusiast who likes to push it to the limit I'm sure this is not super comforting but it's true. If your anything like me though you probabally spend more time in 3dmark then you do in Battlefield. Hopefully your not and you can enjoy some Vsynced 60 FPS BF3.
    
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My performance is great but if people are going to be getting 2-3x higher overclockers in just a month then it makes me feel scammed. Overclocking comes first for me, gaming second. I don't care if i'm getting this card already maxes everything or not.. if it doesn't have voltage control and doesn't overclock well it doesn't really interest me.
NVIDIA seems to have purposely locked down the BIOS and voltage control on these cards knowing that people like us would double dip when non-reference comes out.

Well the 570 and 6870 when I bought them at launch didn't have any voltage control for 1-2 weeks. MSI had to update AB. Trixxx and SmartDoctor had voltage tweak but it was unstable.
Apps like Precision, Trixxx and SmartDoctor are the worst for stability. We'll have to wait until MSI releases a AB update for the GTX 680.
Within two weeks we'll see something official from them.
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Well now, I wouldn't go that far. What kind of performance are you getting at that "pitiful" +135/+515???
Also, I'm confused why you are so worried about extended stability. With a GTX 680 I would just find the max possible OC for whatever given application, get your scores, and be done with it. There's no need at all to run a 24/7 OC with dynamic clocks that yield such amazing FPS in any game at completely stock settings....

This is my thought as well, if I can get a quick & easy 24/7 oc even of +100, it would be fine with me, that's 1200mhz core on turbo and the card will perform crazily. I probably will play with more initially and see if I can get it stable, but if it is taking a lot of fiddling and looks unlikely I'll just go to a lesser clock and stick with it. I'll hand out to the people arguing oc-to-oc that it appears the GTX 680 and Radeon 7970 cards aren't so far apart as it may have appeared at first, though! EDIT: We'll see in a couple of weeks like WorldExclusive is mentioning though if an updated afterburner helps our clocking.

EDIT cont'd: On a personal level, as Majin and Murlocke mention, I wouldn't go back to AMD simply for drivers and at this point monetary value ($50 more, hard to sell right now, etc.). Obviously people's opinions on that vary, however.
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My friend just took his GTX 680 out of his computer with a Q6600, and put it in his brother's sandy computer. After testing for about a hour, he is achieving 20mhz higher on the core in the sandy bridge computer. *shrug*
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Well the 570 and 6870 when I bought them at launch didn't have any voltage control for 1-2 weeks. MSI had to update AB. Trixxx had voltage tweak but it was unstable.
Apps like Precision, Trixxx and SmartDoctor are the worst for stability. We'll have to wait until MSI releases a AB update for the GTX 680.
Within two weeks we'll see something official from them.

AB already supports 680 with the latest beta. I was overclocking with it originally... but everyone was using precision so I switched. Didn't seem to make any difference.
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This is my thought as well, if I can get a quick & easy 24/7 oc even of +100, it would be fine with me, that's 1200mhz core on turbo and the card will perform crazily. I probably will play with more initially and see if I can get it stable, but if it is taking a lot of fiddling and looks unlikely I'll just go to a lesser clock and stick with it. I'll hand out to the people arguing oc-to-oc that it appears the GTX 680 and Radeon 7970 cards aren't so far apart as it may have appeared at first, though! EDIT: We'll see in a couple of weeks like WorldExclusive is mentioning though if an updated afterburner helps our clocking.
EDIT cont'd: On a personal level, as Majin and Murlocke mention, personally I wouldn't go back to AMD simply for drivers and at this point monetary value ($50 more, hard to sell right now, etc.).

+100 would be 1182 with turbo according to precision right now. Small difference but you won't be able to say 1.2GHz. tongue.gif
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My performance is great but if people are going to be getting 2-3x higher overclockers in just a month then it makes me feel scammed. Overclocking comes first for me, gaming second. I don't care if i'm getting this card already maxes everything or not.. if it doesn't have voltage control and doesn't overclock well it doesn't really interest me.
NVIDIA seems to have purposely locked down the BIOS and voltage control on these cards knowing that people like us would double dip when non-reference comes out.
EVGAJacob stated on twitter all cards should be getting +150 core with no voltage mods. I twittered him and said I have 2 EVGA cards that are getting no where near that.
I wouldn't go back to AMD even if this card was 20% slower. Drivers... tongue.gif

I can't get heaven loop stable past +110, will do memory testing tomorrow...
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Well the 570 and 6870 when I bought them at launch didn't have any voltage control for 1-2 weeks. MSI had to update AB. Trixxx and SmartDoctor had voltage tweak but it was unstable.
Apps like Precision, Trixxx and SmartDoctor are the worst for stability. We'll have to wait until MSI releases a AB update for the GTX 680.
Within two weeks we'll see something official from them.

Yeah, the current afterburner support is questionable as to how solid it is. While Beta 15 supports Kepler, I'm unsure as to whether it's really implemented fully/properly just yet. Guess we'll see soon. We may yet get a small volt bump ability with software.
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Well the 570 and 6870 when I bought them at launch didn't have any voltage control for 1-2 weeks. MSI had to update AB. Trixxx and SmartDoctor had voltage tweak but it was unstable.
Apps like Precision, Trixxx and SmartDoctor are the worst for stability. We'll have to wait until MSI releases a AB update for the GTX 680.
Within two weeks we'll see something official from them.

You're probably right about that. There has been a whole lot of "impulse" decisions made around here since the launch of the 680. Three days after release is not really the proper amount of time to make an informed decision about returning the cards. I have no doubt that AB will get updated for the 680 and that overclocking will get better over time. That being said, I really can't stand reference cards (any reference cards for that matter) so I will be getting either 680 or 7970 Lightnings. Of course the 7970 Lightning should be available any day now as opposed to 2 months from now for the 680....
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