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Has anyone tried the drivers that came on the CD from the manufacturer, I wonder if those are any better

Those ones were outdated and recommended *against*, but perhaps 300.99 (the driver from most reviews) would be good to give a shot if people really think that's affecting things (I gather people here are using 301.10?).

They can be downloaded here: http://www.gamefront.com/files/21453948/300_99_desktop_win7_winvista_64bit_international_exe
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So the hardest GPU to overclock in history?
Also GT you said i was Wrong. Does that Mean that the Base Clock will always be 1000Mhz and that you are always just increasing the boost wall? Doesn't that mean as you increase Boost you increase voltage. Voltage Draws more power so in reality a very high boosted card will hit the top boost speeds less likely resulting on lower score so you have to find the sweet spot. Man i so want to play with this GPU after i get bored of HD 7970.
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How do you save the OC after restarting your computer?

I restarted and left it at default voltage and set it to 132% / +140 / +600 and I was stable. This also happens to be the setting where I get the best score so I'm leaving it at this for now. Just set it as profile 1 so it's easy to change after restarts.
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I went back to MSI Afterburner, just because I like it more.. but same results. Simply a headache, I was expecting to have a max OC on this card within an hour...
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So the hardest GPU to overclock in history?
Also GT you said i was Wrong. Does that Mean that the Base Clock will always be 1000Mhz and that you are always just increasing the boost wall? Doesn't that mean as you increase Boost you increase voltage. Voltage Draws more power so in reality a very high boosted card will hit the top boost speeds less likely resulting on lower score so you have to find the sweet spot. Man i so want to play with this GPU after i get bored of HD 7970.

Yes.. I think mine is stable at +135 and +500, but thats ultra low core overclock for a card of this generation. With this overclock, the 7970 would destroy it. I was expecting 1250-1300MHz core, not 1150. I *could* crank up the voltage and see if it improves.. but I really don't want to be one of the first person to do that.
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How do you save the OC after restarting your computer?

They save automatically, just check the apply with startup box.
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So the hardest GPU to overclock in history?
Also GT you said i was Wrong. Does that Mean that the Base Clock will always be 1000Mhz and that you are always just increasing the boost wall? Doesn't that mean as you increase Boost you increase voltage. Voltage Draws more power so in reality a very high boosted card will hit the top boost speeds less likely resulting on lower score so you have to find the sweet spot. Man i so want to play with this GPU after i get bored of HD 7970.

That's actually just about exactly how it works. If you hit too high a speed/heat/voltage it will throttle back to meet the power target, just to make it clearer for those who might not get that off of your post (you said it, just in a different way). Manually increasing the voltage will have small (though not no) impact on stable overall speeds that the card will maintain during sessions of testing and/or gameplay. People need to do their testing *without* simply maxing the sliders and hoping for the best, but rather test and balance their values until they reach a max, consistent, and stable boost clock in their graphs. Additionally, I would highly recommend by all I have read only using a mild memory overclock until you dial in your max sustained clocks for the core. A good amount of discussion on this can be found in the Kepler thread in the XS news section, and a much lesser overview in the hardware canucks review.
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From what I am reading, I am going to guess that we are going to need to edit the card bios to actually OC the cards effectively, and not the programs that we are used to.
    
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I went back to MSI Afterburner, just because I like it more.. but same results. Simply a headache, I was expecting to have a max OC on this card within an hour...
Yes.. I think mine is stable at +135 and +500, but thats ultra low core overclock for a card of this generation. With this overclock, the 7970 would destroy it. I was expecting 1250-1300MHz core, not 1150. I *could* crank up the voltage and see if it improves.. but I really don't want to be one of the first person to do that.
They save automatically, just check the apply with startup box.

135+ Is very normal for high end GPUs. Most GTX580 could only do 900Mhz which is 133Mhz increase but higher % OC. The Fact that GTX680 just shows that it was a 700Mhz GPU to begin with. To sell it for $500 they had to Clock it up from the factory. It would have been a amazingf it was $350 and Boost +450. This is like trying to sell GTX470 @ 800Mhz which does give you high end like performance aka GTX480 but there is not much OC Room.

I think Custom models would show much greater overclocking. 1300-1400 should be achievable with Lightnings.
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They save automatically, just check the apply with startup box.

Thanks, I thought that meant to auto open Precision X and not necessarily the settings.
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135+ Is very normal for high end GPUs. Most GTX580 could only do 900Mhz which is 133Mhz increase but higher % OC. The Fact that GTX680 just shows that it was a 700Mhz GPU to begin with. To sell it for $500 they had to Clock it up from the factory. It would have been a amazingf it was $350 and Boost +450. This is like trying to sell GTX470 @ 800Mhz which does give you high end like performance aka GTX480 but there is not much OC Room.
I think Custom models would show much greater overclocking. 1300-1400 should be achievable with Lightnings.

I have seen some people getting 1300-1350+ on their reference cards as sustained clocks, but it takes a good bit of tweaking. You need to balance and experiment with voltage setting, boost offset (remember, you're boosting offset is a goal target for "this number of mhz over the default (~1100) when thermals and TDP allow" not "go to this speed, always"), power target, fan speed, etc. Here's one example from a reviewer, posted on the forum: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?277763-“Kepler”-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-780&p=5073398&viewfull=1#post5073398 . These cards (as with any) will vary, but by the accounts I'm reading thus far (obviously with limited data) +200 or so is not abnormal.

I believe we will see BIOS mods in short order to allow for locking in different voltages more readily and possibly higher power targets, but the offset thing is something that will require more checking than usual for people, as well as remembering what you're actually setting (a target, not a speed).

Per SKYMTL: "Nope. Base clock remains constant. Think of it as a floor that the card won't pass through. The GPU Boost clock should be thought of as a movable ceiling that can be modified via offset frequencies.
"

"Well, the power target can actually be set into negative territory in order to limit clock speeds and power consumption. However, no matter what you set it to, the Boost Clock is a constantly moving target since every game loads the GPU in a different way. Basically, the GPU will always try to find an optimal clock speed based upon situational conditions."
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It seems the performance loss after a driver crash is related to Precision X. Aftering going back to MSI Afterburner, my driver has crashed twice and my performance is still 100%.
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From what I am reading, I am going to guess that we are going to need to edit the card bios to actually OC the cards effectively, and not the programs that we are used to.

The BIOS were digitally signed and cannot be edited apparently. If you flash your card, you will brick it.
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135+ Is very normal for high end GPUs. Most GTX580 could only do 900Mhz which is 133Mhz increase but higher % OC. The Fact that GTX680 just shows that it was a 700Mhz GPU to begin with. To sell it for $500 they had to Clock it up from the factory. It would have been a amazingf it was $350 and Boost +450. This is like trying to sell GTX470 @ 800Mhz which does give you high end like performance aka GTX480 but there is not much OC Room.
I think Custom models would show much greater overclocking. 1300-1400 should be achievable with Lightnings.

It makes me wonder how all the reputable reviews were saying they got +150 to +160 on the core and it was stable. NVIDIA sent out higher quality parts perhaps?
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