Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › How to mount a push/pull radiator?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

How to mount a push/pull radiator?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Just out of curiosity...how do you mount a radiator with fans on each side in push/pull?

My old radiators I only had push, so I just mounted it to the top using the screws on the other side of the radiator. However, since this is in push/pull, those screws are being used by the fans. How do I mount it?
post #2 of 13
Use the 2nd set of rad screws that are provided, put the rad and fan together, then push the screws in through the back of the case and screw them tight to the rad
The Laptop
(6 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2860QM AMD Radeon HD 6770M Corsair Vengence 1600MHz Samsung 840 Pro 256GB 
OSMonitor
Mac OS X 10.8 1680 x 1050 anti-glare high resolution  
  hide details  
Reply
The Laptop
(6 items)
 
  
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel i7 2860QM AMD Radeon HD 6770M Corsair Vengence 1600MHz Samsung 840 Pro 256GB 
OSMonitor
Mac OS X 10.8 1680 x 1050 anti-glare high resolution  
  hide details  
Reply
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hmm, maybe I lost something but for some reason I am only finding three sets of 4 screws. Considering this is a 480 radiator, I would assume at least 4 sets of 4 for one side. All of these screws are all the same size.

I have a Black Ice GTX 480 radiator. Do you know what size screws I will need as I will run to Home Depot/Lowe's and grab what I need.
post #4 of 13
You may very likely need to get extra screws and/or washers from the hardware store too. In my experience there's no guarantee that the screws provided will be the proper length when you account for mounting depth through the case etc. Measuring the length needed and getting screws that match the closest is important so you don't screw them too deep into the rad and possibly puncture a tube. A trick I use is to carefully thread a screw into the rad before mounting and count the number of turns until you just touch the fins. Then I push the screw through the fan and count the number of exposed threads to make sure those numbers work out.
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #5 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by xyeLz View Post

Hmm, maybe I lost something but for some reason I am only finding three sets of 4 screws. Considering this is a 480 radiator, I would assume at least 4 sets of 4 for one side. All of these screws are all the same size.
I have a Black Ice GTX 480 radiator. Do you know what size screws I will need as I will run to Home Depot/Lowe's and grab what I need.

Metric M4. Take a screw with you for comparison. They sell them in 5mm length increments.

When I bought my black ice GTX 120's they came with baggies with extra screws, one set for use with no fan (which FWIW were too long by about three mm) and a set for use with a fan. But those didn't work out either since the mounting depth through my case only left one thread for mounting into the rad.
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yeah, it appears as if the fans leave about 3 threads when attached to the radiator. The distance between the hole and the radiator itself is much closer than it was on my ThermoChill. I may get a bunch of screws and see which works best.

I don't have the case that I will be using yet so I'm not sure how long I will need those screws to be though.

Tough part too is I would like the screws to all be black, but IIRC, Home Depot and Lowe's don't sell black screws - and painting them is not only awful, but it makes them sticky and gross.

I don't think I'll need washers though, do you?
post #7 of 13
Three threads sounds normal. The washers are only if you need them to "shorten" the screw in case the length needed doesn't quite match what you can buy. If quiet is one of the reasons you're watercooling, this is a good opportunity to use rubber washers. thumb.gif Another way to go if the screw size doesn't quite work out is to grind off a mm or two using a dremel etc.

If you don't mind waiting most WC vendors sell black screws eg. frozenCPU, but you will pay a lot less if you order from somewhere like mcmaster.com.
Edited by threephi - 3/24/12 at 11:22am
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #8 of 13
Hey xyelz,

If you by any chance you need sleeving and don't mind waiting then maybe you can also pick up some black oxide button head screws from MDPC http://en.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-mounting/screws.htm

I ended up doing that even though i felt a bit funny ordering screws from a different continent. But I ended up buying other things from him too so it worked out ok. If you end up buying from there, might as well pick up some UNC "Brainwashers" little plastic washers in which your screw head fits into.

BTW - I was also unable to find black oxide screws at Home Depot and Lowes, but you can get black neoprene rubber washers I don't use them for sound dampening (not sure if they work) but I use them as both a spacer and also to protect the black paint finish on my SR-1 rad so screws or the metal case don't end up touching the rad.

For M4 size screw (Which the black ice uses) these are the ones I bought that worked

From Home Depot: Hillman 5/32 x 3/8 x 1/16 - these come with 2 washers per bag
From Lowes: Crown Bolt 5/32 4.0 - These come with 4 washers per bag

I had to drive to 3 home depots to get enough washers smile.gif
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks vvoc, excellent suggestions.

When I get home I will +rep.

Does anyone know how exactly the washers will help reduce noise? I will be in push/pull formation so where exactly would I put washers? Exterior of case?
post #10 of 13
In a nutshell, the rubber acts as a vibration dampener. Ideally they would go as a sandwich around whatever moving component you want to isolate, so there's no direct metal-to-metal (or -plastic) contact, just component to rubber. The effect is admittedly quite small but it does add up if you have a lot of hard drives and fans spinning.

You can put the washers wherever you want, or not... just make sure to account for them when you figure out what screw length you need.

I found out the hard way when dry-fitting my rads that the finish is quite fragile, so using rubber washers as a protection layer as vvoc suggested is also a good idea thumb.gif I also put some masking tape on them to prevent scratches until I was ready to install them for real.
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
Blinky
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-950 @4.034 GHz Asus Rampage III Formula GeForce GTX 770 6GB Crucial Ballistix 1600MHz 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Samsung 840 Pro SSD EK Supreme HF (full nickel) Danger Den Monsoon Dual-Bay Reservoir/Pump Win 7 Pro 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2410 Rosewill RK-9000 Seasonic X-650 Cosmos 1000 
Other
Lamptron FC5-V2 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › How to mount a push/pull radiator?