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So I have a friend who is looking to build a whole new rig sometime in the next month or so. I put together a couple builds for a budget of 1200-1500$ for him.

Basically the build will include 128gb SSD, 1tb HDD, 7850 GPU, 16gb ram kit for 90$, 190$ budget for motherboard, 55$ for a fractal core 3000 case, along with a 170$ 1080p 22-23 inch monitor, roswell mech keyboard, G400 and 9HD mouse pad, along with the PSU.

Basically the end prices look like this:

With 2600k price with SSD = 1600$
With 2500k and no SSD = 1360$
With FX 6100 with SSD = 1360$
With FX 6100 and no SSD = 1180$

So my question is how much would he benefit from getting intel CPU considering the FX 6100 + Mobo is almost 300$ cheaper? Keep in mind this is with all accessories.

Is there anyone who can give me some first hand experience around the performance of the 6100? Also I am not considering the 8120 or 8150 because the cost would be the same as a 2500k and thus pointless to choose over Intel.
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Have a look at this...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/10

As you can see, the 6100 is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain. So i take it this build is for gaming? If it is, I would take that 16gb of ram and just put 8 in there and spend a little more to get the intel cpu, or spend it on a better case/monitor, like the fractal arc midi.

It is better just to spend the little extra money now and get the system that will last a whole lot longer in the gaming world (i found that out the hard way on my first build tongue.gif)
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Have a look at this...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/10
As you can see, the 6100 is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain. So i take it this build is for gaming? If it is, I would take that 16gb of ram and just put 8 in there and spend a little more to get the intel cpu, or spend it on a better case/monitor, like the fractal arc midi.
It is better just to spend the little extra money now and get the system that will last a whole lot longer in the gaming world (i found that out the hard way on my first build tongue.gif)

16gb of ram is for ramdisk, and ram is cheap now days. No point in not maxing out on ram when you can get 16gb for 90$ vs 8gb for 50$.

I guess ill tell him to go with Intel though.
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Originally Posted by ITS OVER 9000! View Post

Have a look at this...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/10
As you can see, the 6100 is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain. So i take it this build is for gaming? If it is, I would take that 16gb of ram and just put 8 in there and spend a little more to get the intel cpu, or spend it on a better case/monitor, like the fractal arc midi.
It is better just to spend the little extra money now and get the system that will last a whole lot longer in the gaming world (i found that out the hard way on my first build tongue.gif)

Exactly my thoughts. Ditch Bulldozer and spend a little more for a better processor. I haven't tried out a RAM disk, but unless you really think you could utilize 16GB of RAM and make it worth it, it's not a money well spent imop. 8 GB is much more practical, and you could use this money to spend elsewhere making other stuff awesome, like upgrading from that $55 case to something better. Remember, even if you made a RAM disk, 16GB is not much storage to work with.

Edit- Go with the 2500K. Going from a 2500K to a 2600K is hardly an upgrade, and it eats $100 more of your budget. Not worth it. And Bulldozer is just not a great series-- honestly I'd rather go with Deneb over Bulldozer.
Edited by whitingnick - 3/24/12 at 10:39am
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16gb of ram is for ramdisk, and ram is cheap now days. No point in not maxing out on ram when you can get 16gb for 90$ vs 8gb for 50$.
I guess ill tell him to go with Intel though.

Ya on my first build i went from a 965be to a 2500, and i do not think i will ever go back to amd again..
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Exactly my thoughts. Ditch Bulldozer and spend a little more for a better processor. I haven't tried out a RAM disk, but unless you really think you could utilize 16GB of RAM and make it worth it, it's not a money well spent imop. 8 GB is much more practical, and you could use this money to spend elsewhere making other stuff awesome, like upgrading from that $55 case to something better. Remember, even if you made a RAM disk, 16GB is not much storage to work with.
Edit- Go with the 2500K. Going from a 2500K to a 2600K is hardly an upgrade, and it eats $100 more of your budget. Not worth it. And Bulldozer is just not a great series-- honestly I'd rather go with Deneb over Bulldozer.

Well then you should probably try out ramdisk, theres a guide here that explains it well. With 16gb ram you have 10gb for games, 6gb for system. Also the Core 3000 is not a crap case, its on sale for 55$, normally its 80$. I have used it in builds before and it is very feature complete.

Anyway I redid the built with a 150$ P67 mobo and took out the SSD and now it fits better with the budget. I'm still recommending a 2600k and 16gb ram though for future proofing reasons.
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Well then you should probably try out ramdisk, theres a guide here that explains it well. With 16gb ram you have 10gb for games, 6gb for system. Also the Core 3000 is not a crap case, its on sale for 55$, normally its 80$. I have used it in builds before and it is very feature complete.
Anyway I redid the built with a 150$ P67 mobo and took out the SSD and now it fits better with the budget. I'm still recommending a 2600k and 16gb ram though for future proofing reasons.

10GB isn't a lot for games, let's be honest. You could install one modern game on that. So you'd have to install, then uninstall if you wanted to play a new game on it. Not worth all the configuring imop. Just go with a nice SSD, there are some smoking fast ones available on sale all the time.

You can go with the 2600K, but the 2500K, not the 2600K, is the sweet spot. You will notice no real world difference between the two, except for the $100 less your friend has in his pocket.
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10GB isn't a lot for games, let's be honest. You could install one game on that. Not worth all the setup unless you already had 16GB.

You still don't understand. You don't need to install more than 1 game on it, you install the game and save disk images and load the game into the ram when you want to play it. It's also faster than SSD's.

It's also not only for games. Ramdisk can benefit literally any type of editing task by storing raw files on the ramdisk. It's pointless to limit yourself when it only costs an extra 40$ to max out on ram.
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You still don't understand. You don't need to install more than 1 game on it, you install the game and save disk images and load the game into the ram when you want to play it. It's also faster than SSD's.

It seems like the time loading 10GB into RAM would take would totally negate any gains made in loading times. FPS wouldn't change that much, as i/o isn't really a factor in fps.
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It seems like the time loading 10GB into RAM would take would totally negate any gains made in loading times. FPS wouldn't change that much, as i/o isn't really a factor in fps.

You are correct, this would not change, in any aspect, the performance of the game, only the load times.

Anyway, cool if you want it, but not worth it for me for only 10GB's. SSD is fast enough for my liking.
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