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Anyway the wind blows
Magic. Too many expensive things for a build that will be useless in a few years.
It won't be useless in a few years, Upgrades will be every 1/2 ~ 1 years.
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someone called me biggrin.gif
@OP but seriously why have two loops? I have never understood why people use two loops, just use one.
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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

If you use one loop you are circulating heat to other parts later in the loop, rather than cool water when using multiple loops for the same parts. It's superior cooling-wise to use two.
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hmm, ok.
but what is the difference in Celsius between one and two loop? 2C? 3 maybe.
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Originally Posted by JassimH View Post

I went overkill on my build, or so I thought, then I discovered WaterCooling O.O!!!
Also I agree, external rads are ugly, and how would you mount it anyway? I'd recommend getting yourself a caselabs case. They have great support on their website, and on the forum here (OCN). They'll recommend you the case/accessories you'd need for your build.
You'd get a better quality case, alluminium 100%, looks nicer, larger rolleyes.gif, more expensive though, rarer and supports MORE RADIATORS INTERNALLY. It was designed for watercooling, not Yeah we'll just give you two rails to mount a 240 rad rolleyes.gif.
The case is ugly, that's why.
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That might be true. But he isn't looking at a great deal of real-estate in the Cosmos II unless he puts some serious dremel action into it. Adding this much complexity to gain marginal increases in cooling simply isn't worth it. My 2 cents would be running 1 big loop, others on this forum have done it before and have achieved excellent results.
Edit: Woah. Arab spotted. Salam 3alaikom!
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If you get strong pumps, and build the loop with good flow (high flow fittings, rads, blocks) all through, your delta temperature shouldnt exceed more than 1C, even if you SLI it, so using dual loop might give you close to no benefits. If you play games like BF3 you might even get better results with a single loop, since CPU works hard when loading maps, and GFX when the game is on, so you are benefiting from dual rad in both situations. The many rads will simply be used to keep the water close to ambient over time.
If you think about going into chilling the water below ambient, the rads are actually a bad idea, since they will work on heating the water to ambient. Chilling only makes sence if the idea is to cool the last drops of water to ambient.
Regarding the chassis, its my opinion that the Caselabs chassis are too big and ugly. On the other hand, you might need a dremel to make stuff fit in your Cosmos II, so deside if you are ready for hard-modding. I would go for the Cosmos 2 dremel solution, or eventually take a look at the Silverstone TJ series.
rolleyes.gif If I wanted a TJ, I would screw it and get a caselabs.
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It's funny because some ppl are acusing the OP of troll because he has less than 30 post and no rep. It's like if you're not a 1000+ post user with a lot of flames you must not know anything about computers.
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I don't understand why this guy would seem to be a troll in the first place? If he was a troll then surely he would have said he was buying a 3960X and wouldn't have gone to all the effort of linking the pages and explicitly explaining everything?
A troll thread would be more along the lines of:
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so ya guys ive got $100000 to spend on a pc, i was thinking of having a 3960x wiv 64gb ram and 4 gtx 680s so i can p,lay minecraft awesum, this isnt a troll thread b4 u say, ur just jelous cus i have more money than u
Sounds like an awesome plan for a rig, good luck with it, can't wait to see pics. thumb.gif
You forgot LN2 auto-delivery for xtreme overclocks 24/7 tongue.gif
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Couple of questions:
1) What is the point of the velociraptor drive? Fast RPM? drive for games.
2) Why wait for the EVGA cards with waterblocks when you can order an EK block for a ref 680 in a few days? I heard that the Hydro Copper waterblocks are better. Plus, I need 4GB VRAM for multimonitor.
3) If you have compression fittings why are you ordering hose clamps? Do you not need them?
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It's been proven that it isn't superior to use 2
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Cleaned. Quit calling the OP a troll and no more off topic stuff (unless someone wants to start the song again tongue.gif).
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Originally Posted by Rabbs View Post

My vote for TJ11 screw the cosmos 2.
If I was intent on getting a WC case I would screw the TJ11 and get something like caselabs.


@1 loops vs 2 : I'm going to check the WC section to see what's better.
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@1 loops vs 2 : I'm going to check the WC section to see what's better.

I used to have a single loop and went to 2 loops a few months ago, its betters because you don't have to drain and dismantle the large loop, just the one you need to work on and my temps are better. Also get a koolance duel D5 bay res to save space instead of the bay res and pump top and you don't need the CPU Protection Plan. Ram block is really not needed, just adds restriction into the loop.

p.s. drool.gif
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I would do 2 loops since you're going to need 2 pumps regardless.
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If I was intent on getting a WC case I would screw the TJ11 and get something like caselabs.

So let me get this straight? You're getting all this WC parts and etc but yet you aren't intent on getting a WC case? You're wanting a cosmos 2 which blows compared to TJ11 when it comes to WC. When people WC there "intentions" are getting a case that will be great for WC, not getting a case that can WC decently. Also 2 loops is better then 1 FYI. But it's your money you get what you want wink.gif I'm jumping the gun from a new 800D to a TJ11. I mean you don't have to get a TJ11 for WC, but for the amount of money you're wanting to put in this build at least buy a HQ case bud.
    
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And to do with dual / single loop;

A single loop can be more efficient because you're applying all of your radiator space to the total heat dump of your system. An inefficient dual loop example is this:

Loop 1: CPU, 3x120mm radiator
Loop 2: Two huge video cards, 1x120mm radiator

In that case, obviously, the second loop is saturated (it can't dissipate enough heat) and the first loop has a little more radiator than it needs. Typically the situation isn't as mismatched as this is, but you can imagine that it's not hard to create some kind of mismatch between loops.

Typically it's a tradeoff. In the example I gave, the CPU temps are going to be great, but your GPU temps will be pretty high. If you combine it into a single loop, your GPU temps should drop considerably, but the CPU temps will probably come up a bit. The advantage of two loops is that you can insulate one set of components from another, but the disadvantage is (almost certainly) less overall efficiency. There are some other pros and cons, but they're less noticeable.

Whether it's worth it to insulate sets of components or whether that lower overall efficiency is measurable (or, if measurable, actually problematic) is the question that's really hard to answer.

After watercooling for a few years now, I lean towards whichever solution is the simplest and least likely to cause a headache. I would go with a single loop for that reason alone. I also think you'd also have a hard time screwing up a single loop - it's not sensitive to heat mismatches. In almost all cases, a dual loop is an over-optimization.
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With 2 loops in the cosmos put the CPU and mobo under the top 360 RAD and the GPUs under the external 480 RAD.
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I used to have a single loop and went to 2 loops a few months ago, its betters because you don't have to drain and dismantle the large loop, just the one you need to work on and my temps are better. Also get a koolance duel D5 bay res to save space instead of the bay res and pump top and you don't need the CPU Protection Plan. Noted that ages ago. Ram block is really not needed, just adds restriction into the loop. And...? I'm going to have a pretty much freeflowing loop, after the ram comes the rad then the res!
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I would do 2 loops since you're going to need 2 pumps regardless.
2 loops it is.
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So let me get this straight? You're getting all this WC parts and etc but yet you aren't intent on getting a WC case? You're wanting a cosmos 2 which blows compared to TJ11 when it comes to WC. When people WC there "intentions" are getting a case that will be great for WC, not getting a case that can WC decently. Also 2 loops is better then 1 FYI. But it's your money you get what you want wink.gif I'm jumping the gun from a new 800D to a TJ11. I mean you don't have to get a TJ11 for WC, but for the amount of money you're wanting to put in this build at least buy a HQ case bud.
I would, but I like the looks THAT much. Plus, you can't argue with my setup not being overkill, and I'll have two more grommets if I ever need any more area.
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And to do with dual / single loop;
A single loop can be more efficient because you're applying all of your radiator space to the total heat dump of your system. An inefficient dual loop example is this:
Loop 1: CPU, 3x120mm radiator
Loop 2: Two huge video cards, 1x120mm radiator
In that case, obviously, the second loop is saturated (it can't dissipate enough heat) and the first loop has a little more radiator than it needs. Typically the situation isn't as mismatched as this is, but you can imagine that it's not hard to create some kind of mismatch between loops.
Typically it's a tradeoff. In the example I gave, the CPU temps are going to be great, but your GPU temps will be pretty high. If you combine it into a single loop, your GPU temps should drop considerably, but the CPU temps will probably come up a bit. The advantage of two loops is that you can insulate one set of components from another, but the disadvantage is (almost certainly) less overall efficiency. There are some other pros and cons, but they're less noticeable.
Whether it's worth it to insulate sets of components or whether that lower overall efficiency is measurable (or, if measurable, actually problematic) is the question that's really hard to answer.
After watercooling for a few years now, I lean towards whichever solution is the simplest and least likely to cause a headache. I would go with a single loop for that reason alone. I also think you'd also have a hard time screwing up a single loop - it's not sensitive to heat mismatches. In almost all cases, a dual loop is an over-optimization.
I'll need the 2 pumps ayways, so I said: why not?
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With 2 loops in the cosmos put the CPU and mobo under the top 360 RAD and the GPUs under the external 480 RAD.
And what about the p/p rad at the bottom? Screw it?
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From what I know there is no way of getting a 360 RAD in the bottom, a 240 yes but not a 360 and with multi GPUs you really want that 480 RAD. I run 1 480 for my 2 470's, they idle about 22-24 load about 38-42.
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From what I know there is no way of getting a 360 RAD in the bottom, a 240 yes but not a 360 and with multi GPUs you really want that 480 RAD. I run 1 480 for my 2 470's, they idle about 22-24 load about 38-42.

With a radstand you can biggrin.gif You have to tilt the psu out a bit, but it's fine. And no worries, the 480 would still be there xD
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Too many expensive things for a build that will be useless in a few years.
Hmm, welcome to the PC world. A g.card that was worth hunderts of $$$ 5 years ago is now useful as paper weight. thumb.gif

@3930K: Yes, it might support a 360 in the top but only a very thin one as you wrote. Thin radiator = not good.
E.g.: I want to WC as soon as the NZXT 810 hits the german market. It supports a thick (65mm) 360ish RAD in the top without modding. Plus a 240ish rad or maybe even two.
If you really want to put a bazilion rads in that thing you might want to spend your money on a mountain mod / case labs thinggy
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