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I don't read any reviews at all. I just don't trust them anymore. To get a feel of the game I just go to youtube and watch a video made by some stupid day one buyer/early adopter or go visit the game's/steam forum. If there's too many problems, I can safely guess that the game was a rushed port, if it was a multiplatform game. If it's an EA/Ubisoft/Activision game I don't consider buying it in the first place, cutting down my worries about bad games/paid reviews/company shills astroturfing review scores etc in half. And then comes the long wait for the game to cost less than $20.

Unfortunately, millions of people get their games on the word of some reviewer without ever questioning anything. It's great that someone's calling these reviewers out on this corruption.
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Originally Posted by doomlord52 View Post

The problem is, reviewers are people.
Pretty much what I got out of the whole thing.
 
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Reviewers do give good or decent reviews to mediocre games to keep good relations with publishers. It happens. I have first hand experience of it as I used to write game reviews for a videogame site (which was one of the reasons why I also left).

 

 


Edited by Lifeshield - 3/25/12 at 8:01am
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It really is worrisome when I find that I trust random independent reviews... and yahtzee... more than the big review sites.
Say what you will about yahtzee, but at least he tells it as it is... with many humorous and sometimes disturbing metaphors.

He's the only game reviewer I even read or watch now.


I havent trusted a "professional" reviewer in well over 10 years. They're bought and sold by the gaming companies.
 
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And that's why we need Demos people DEMOS !!
Having a demo available essentially eliminates this problem , everybody can download it and see for himself if he likes the game or not.
They could even go as far as multi player demos, in example BF3 MP Demo , 1 class 2 or 3 guns 1 map available and it could be available for a month after release, I'm sure they could work it out somehow.
It used to be a norm once and i like how a lot of games on Steam have demos , sadly not enough.
There is one other thing , releasing demos would hep against piracy , i speak from experience , when i want to buy a game but I'm not sure if i like it i want to try it first so i don't waste my money.
If there is demo available i download it straight away and i know if I'm going to buy it, if demo is not available people search you tube or other sources, but with torrents so easily available they often go to TPB or somewhere else to "see if they like it" and while some of them will be honest and buy the game afterwards, a lot of them will face the dilemma "why pay for a game that i already have for free"
I'm not saying this is a cure for piracy, not at all but demos combined with some reasonable anti piracy measures (just to make it a little more complicated to pirate the games" would surly help to reduce the piracy.
I'm not sure why publishers/developers don't make more demos available but i think it is closely related to this topic, why release demo and risk people "not liking it" while they have plenty of "friendly" reviewers on call who will help people decide with their "professional" reviews.
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come oon!lets not put our head under the sand here!there is a market and a job name for what the guy said!it is called lobbying!and dont think for one minute there arent any lobbist in the insanelly most growing industry on the planet!we dont talk million here we talk an industry bigger then cinema.do you see how far cinema industry or music industry is willing to go!dont imagine for a second lobbist arent popular currency on the web or game industry!it is via gold seller via web site like mmorpg etc etc .they dont do them all just the top site!lobbying is a plague and should be sandboxed!but i dont think this will happen!
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It really is worrisome when I find that I trust random independent reviews... and yahtzee... more than the big review sites.

Big media is a disaster when it attempts to take "news" seriously.

Just as there is more truth in news from the Onion or the Colbert report than CNN, NBC, or Fox, there is more truth to Yahtzee than IGN or PC Gamer.
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Jim Sterling is the biggest <<bleep>> you can imagine. A disgrace to true and objective game reviewing.
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Any review of a game scored above an 8 is a lie to me.

At best most of them are 7's and I mean out of the 80+ games I own, I would score maybe 4 of them 8's. There's always something negative about them. They 'mess up' something in my opinion somewhere... always. So any review giving a video game a score of 9 and up are merely pandering to the game companies to continue getting the free games in the mail.
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