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Hi,

Atm i have an old Athlon XP system (need to get rid of it, sooo slow.), but for a full upgrade i want to wait for the Core 2 quatro's to come up early next year (along with the DX10 video cards that go with them). I'm thinking of getting a E6300 with an inexpecive (but decent quality) motherboard. I only plan to use the stock Intel cooling (heard that it can do ok) and overclock it a bit. The idea is to just tie me over untill i go core 2 quatro. I would prefer ASUS, simply due to their quality (well i prefer Intel themselves, but you need to got the 975 boards for that). I might contiune to use this system as a media centre or something in the future. The key factor here is price. I know that the ASUS p5b Deluxe is a fantastic board, but if i'm going to upgrade in 6months or so, i don't want to shell out any more than i have to. I was thinking more along the lines of the P5B-VM, but am open to sugestions. Doesn't need to have all that extra crap on it (getting a 7600gs Ultra video card and have a sound card, so onboard options not necessary. Firewire would be nice though).

Other option is to go for a core 2 quatro capable motherboard, but i'm not sure if they've been released yet or what sort of price range.

Thanks for your help.
post #2 of 6
Many current boards are ready for Core 2 Quad (Kentsfield) with a simply BIOS upgrade. Here is a list: http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2848&p=1

Thus, an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (Intel 975X) or an ASUS P5B Deluxe (Wifi) would be good choices for Core 2 Quad. Even the cheaper models of the P5B series will support Kentsfield.

I would go for any board you like that's ready for Kentsfield, pop an E6300 in it and overclock it to your liking.

If you plan Dual Graphics, then the Asus P5W DH Deluxe should be your choice, otherwise the (better overclocking) P5B Deluxe.

I hope this helps
    
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i know it's hard to wait.... but here's the thing:

PCI-e may/will be comming out with a new standard. Next Gen video cards will be pulling down crazy amounts of power, so they're in the process of designing a new connector. Since graphics (and soon physics) cards will be needing more power, you will probably need a new PSU when you upgrade. It's quite possible that Intel will push forward (and someone correct me if i'm wrong) with DDR3 Ram, so Ram slots may be different and the ram will be different. Optical drives are pushing forward with SATA connectivity effectively making IDE a dead technology. Another dead technology is the original PCI... your wireless cards, sound cards and anything that uses PCI (not express) may have to be replaced. Finally, your CPU that you just spent $200-$400 on will then be useless.

So what does all that mean: when you upgrade, you'll need:

1) New MoBo to keep up with the Graphics and probably CPU (AMD will have compatability between their 4 core chips and the AM2 sockets, but they're planning on creating a new socket for them...Intel will at best do the same).
2) Possibly New Ram ($300 for a cheap set of good 2GB probably)
3) New Graphics
4) New PSU
5) New Optical drives (at some point, IDE is dead and that point is soon. Floppies are the only things that will be supported on IDE).
6) any PCI cards may have to become PCI-X1 or X4.... Nothing is out yet for those connections really, but if you could find them that way, it would be for the best.

So, what could you keep from one system to the other:
1) HDD's (if you get SATA's)
2) Monitor (Get DVI connectivity)
3) Mouse
4) Keyboard
5) any other USB device
... yea, that's pretty much it.

Honestly, stick with your computer for another year (Summer 2k8) and then almost everything will be tried and proven. You should know what socket you'll need for your Core2Quatro for sure and everything else. Save the $800 (least amount i can see spending on a C2D system) and put it twords crossfire/SLI if you want. I know it's hard, but it'll be worth it.
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Originally Posted by Chozart
Many current boards are ready for Core 2 Quad (Kentsfield) with a simply BIOS upgrade. Here is a list: http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2848&p=1

Thus, an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe (Intel 975X) or an ASUS P5B Deluxe (Wifi) would be good choices for Core 2 Quad. Even the cheaper models of the P5B series will support Kentsfield.

I would go for any board you like that's ready for Kentsfield, pop an E6300 in it and overclock it to your liking.

If you plan Dual Graphics, then the Asus P5W DH Deluxe should be your choice, otherwise the (better overclocking) P5B Deluxe.

I hope this helps

As i just said ... there's a lot of current technology that'll be dead very soon and you may want to check to make sure your new mobo supports it.
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New PCI-E standard? Any ? At the moment, no card is even getting close to exhausting the current standard.

And I posted the link that states that those boards support Kentsfield. So no problem here

Do you have any proof of your statements about soon outdated hardware? And summer 2008 is a long time, nearly two years. I'd upgrade in a heartbeat to enjoy a better rig for two years.

Furthermore, I don't think dedicated physics card will last. With Quad and more core CPUs, it's likely that one or more cores will be dedicated to physics, rendering those cards useless.

If you get a E6200/P5B Deluxe/DDR2 800/PCI-E video card based rig now, with a PSU like the PC Power & Cooler Silencer 750W, it's easy to upgrade to Kentsfield and DX10 in the first half of 2007. You then will have a great rig, running anything you can imagine. Only dual high-end DX10 cards will draw moer power than that PSU can handle.

Final comment: Current technology will ALWAYS be outdated in the future, probably within a year (yoiu even mention two years, which is a long time in computer land). Do we always have to wait then? I say no. My rig is already not the newest tech right now, but I am sure I will enjoy it for at least another year, by which time my bank account is ready for another batch of upgrades.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chozart
New PCI-E standard? Any ? At the moment, no card is even getting close to exhausting the current standard.
There was a thread in the News section about a Version 2.0 standard for PCIe, not a completely new slot configuration. It is supposed to feed more power to the cards and allow higher bandwith. I don't think it will be so completely new as to require upgrading though, maybe if you want dual NVIDIA 8900s

As for DDR3, Intel won't be touching it until the end of next year, Q3 at the soonest according to information publically avaialble now.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chozart
Furthermore, I don't think dedicated physics card will last. With Quad and more core CPUs, it's likely that one or more cores will be dedicated to physics, rendering those cards useless.
Agreed. Even without quad core the Physics cards were/are a niche market.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chozart
Final comment: Current technology will ALWAYS be outdated in the future, probably within a year (yoiu even mention two years, which is a long time in computer land). Do we always have to wait then? I say no. My rig is already not the newest tech right now, but I am sure I will enjoy it for at least another year, by which time my bank account is ready for another batch of upgrades.
Only the rich can truly chase the absolute newest tech, and generally it is just to say they have the newest tech. Waiting to upgrade a system for the newest thing 2 years away will doom you to always being outdated as there will always be something new, especially in a 2 year time frame.
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