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If you want to live on a planet that has no star for millions to billions of years, and is hurtling through space with no way to stop it without an catastrophic collision that would probably destroy the entire planet, then sure. tongue.gif

Maybe not a planet sized body, but there have been ideas posed whereby we take a hold of a "small" asteroid, excavate a sub-subterranean "space station" and ride inside the asteroid through space, mining it for materials along the way. Thrusters on the surface would be able to change the trajectory and orientation of the asteroid to avoid collisions. Solar sails/ ion propulsion could drive the asteroid through space and slow it down upon arrival at the destination. interesting idea IMO.
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could probably be pulled off (speed of light sling shoted with say a black hole inertia!the question:is it possible to survive it!
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Maybe not a planet sized body, but there have been ideas posed whereby we take a hold of a "small" asteroid, excavate a sub-subterranean "space station" and ride inside the asteroid through space, mining it for materials along the way. Thrusters on the surface would be able to change the trajectory and orientation of the asteroid to avoid collisions. Solar sails/ ion propulsion could drive the asteroid through space and slow it down upon arrival at the destination. interesting idea IMO.

I am sure Apple all ready has a patient on the astroid so they can mine it for materials needed to make the ipad 10's holographic heads up display.
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post #53 of 98
alot of misinformation spreading like wild lol
Point is, we dont really know anything, so yah.

many have said atleast this much, the OP Question, answer is No.

and that idea about circling a black hole to reach light speed is pure insanity lol...

The only chance Humans will EVER have to Traversing to even Other Solar systems in our universe, is if the Space Time Fold of SciFi comes to be truth.

Ive always had this thought in my head, unfortunately its a wordless thought that seems to involve changing our view of Empty Space. maybe its just a median between all points in the universe.

i dont really understand what my brain is trying to say, so im sorry for my bad information, But just maybe, there is an easier way to look at this, and like a Lightning Bolt, we will be able to arive somewhere before we even see it happen..

I for one, do NOT believe that the Speed of Light is the Speed barrier of all things.
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I for one, do NOT believe that the Speed of Light is the Speed barrier of all things.

Scientific stuff is not based on belief, however. There is this thing called scientific method. Works relatively well within a paradigm. Although sometimes paradigms shift. Like, for example, when Einstein stared at Lorentz transformation long enough and went "ahh, hell, only way to make Newton laws invariant under these is if time is not absolute" *Bling*, paradigm shift.

Anyway, in general. Why send humans? Its so irrational and inefficient. Besides humans have been proven to go nuts in relatively short time in total silence and darkness. No way something remotely human would remain "sane enough" over the thousands of years needed for interstellar travel even if we make the technological breakthroughs to extend its life that far.

However, we are already capable of engineering far more survivable entities that can, in theory, travel the interstellar distances and wake up once within range of the destination. If worried about potential contacts with other lifeforms we can pack along few nukes programmed to blow as soon as the drone estimates its in danger of being captured.

Based on history of life on earth it is, in my opinion, naive to assume that something that has endured through the evolution in their environment is docile and well meaning towards all life. Far more likely it is something like humans. A vicious master of its savage domain, aggressive, expansionist and willing to wipe out any life-form it perceives as threatening even if its from the same species as itself. Being docile will note make you a dominant life-form in your environment.

As they say "nuke it from the orbit, its the only way to be sure" wink.gif
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I like how the picture is depicted as an "animation" yet there are no moving parts to the pictures... XD

AHAHAHA for us non physics people this is all that really matters.biggrin.gifthumb.gif
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But, if you can successfully transfer your consciousness, thoughts, and memories, does it really matter what body you are living in? "consciously" you would never know the difference.

Exactly how would you transfer consciousness without death? If you can describe that then maybe it would be possible, but realistically you can't. You would have to store all the memories. Kill the brain, then store those memories into a new shell.

Like I said, the clone would for all intents and purposes be you. It would have your memories, your thoughts and to everyone else and itself it would be you. However it is not.

This goes back to if you were to transfer your memories to an exact clone while you were still alive, you would end up being two totally separate entities.
     
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Exactly how would you transfer consciousness without death? If you can describe that then maybe it would be possible, but realistically you can't. You would have to store all the memories. Kill the brain, then store those memories into a new shell.
Like I said, the clone would for all intents and purposes be you. It would have your memories, your thoughts and to everyone else and itself it would be you. However it is not.
This goes back to if you were to transfer your memories to an exact clone while you were still alive, you would end up being two totally separate entities.

Indeed. If its machine it would not be human most likely. A pure intelligence, without emotion, is a scary thought. Now having your memories is theoretically entirely possible, however having your "thoughts" is a bit unlikely in my opinion, bcos part of the thought process is chemical (hormones n stuff) and at best, very difficult to emulate on machine. So in my opinion - it can be sentient, have your memories, etc, but it would not be "a human". It would be interesting for sure, for example, if something resembling emotion would emerge in some other form as we know it today or if not how would a sentience without emotion be motivated. if at all.

Then again being "a pure human" might be a bit overrated. Would you switch out one of your eyes capable of seeing in full spectrum ? How about a brain implant including all the encyclopedias (and some porn) made by mankind ? A new skeleton ? Synthetic muscles ? A mechanical heart perhaps if yours is kinda failing ? Would you really not take that brain implant if you think all the other guys competing for that dream job have one and employer thinks its beneficial in the job ?
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Indeed. If its machine it would not be human most likely. A pure intelligence, without emotion, is a scary thought. Now having your memories is theoretically entirely possible, however having your "thoughts" is a bit unlikely in my opinion, bcos part of the thought process is chemical (hormones n stuff) and at best, very difficult to emulate on machine. So in my opinion - it can be sentient, have your memories, etc, but it would not be "a human". It would be interesting for sure, for example, if something resembling emotion would emerge in some other form as we know it today or if not how would a sentience without emotion be motivated. if at all.
Then again being "a pure human" might be a bit overrated. Would you switch out one of your eyes capable of seeing in full spectrum ? How about a brain implant including all the encyclopedias (and some porn) made by mankind ? A new skeleton ? Synthetic muscles ? A mechanical heart perhaps if yours is kinda failing ? Would you really not take that brain implant if you think all the other guys competing for that dream job have one and employer thinks its beneficial in the job ?

Well I was just talking about a direct Flesh and Blood clone. Unless you were just bringing the topic to a new section of course. Obviously a machine would be an even more compounded issue. It would be nice to have Interchangeable eyes perhaps. Real Eyes and Advanced eyes. Although I guess it would just be easier to have external glasses at that point. No surgery required.
     
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The test that had particles moving faster then light was an error cause by a loose wire. And you probably shouldn't bring up the "it's just a theory" argument. That's the same argument creationists use to try to discredit the theory of evolution. I'm sure it's the same argument the flatworlders tried to use vs the round earth theory. And the earth centric believers used against the theory that the sun was the center of the solar system.
This is not a fair comparison. Challenges to relativity are based on science, creationism is based on a belief. Just because you believe something to be true does not make it so. As it stands now Einstein's theory of relativity is incomplete at best as it does not apply to subatomic particles. Currently there is no unified theory that would encompass both the macroscopic the microscopic world. This is also one of the key links missing for us in understanding how and why black-holes can exist.
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I wasn't arguing against challenges to accepted theory. Simply against that argument "it's just a theory" without any challenge beyond that.
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