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Hi,

So as the title hints, I am creating an external water cooling setup from scratch. The case will be 8 inches wide, 25 inches high, and 20 inches deep. I need some help on the parts I will be buying to cool off my PC. This will be an extreme performance water cooling loop, and $750 is my budget (This budget is for the internal parts only, the actual case is already made)

Most of my stuff will be coming from Koolance, however I also have some Swiftech parts picked out.

I will be using copper and brass parts, so no aluminum. I'm still debating between silver or nickel accessories (fittings, etc)

The Parts I need:
(1) Pump $110: http://www.swiftech.com/mcp655.aspx

(1) CPU Block $80: http://www.swiftech.com/ApogeeHD.aspx

(1) 120.4mm Radiator $75: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=817

(4) 120x38mm fans $92: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2038

(4) 120mm Fan Grills $10: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=195

(1) Rad Aluminum Shroud $40: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=693

(2) 930ml reservoir bodies $45: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2013

(1) Res top with fill port $11: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2018

(1) Res base $22: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2019

(1) Res coupler $12: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2016

(2) Male Quick Disconnect $27: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1050

(2) Female Quick Disconnect $29: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1049

(8) Compression Fittings $38: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=399

(10) Ft PVC tubing $18: https://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=765

(1) Fan/Pump Controller $30: http://www.nzxt.com/new/products/fan_control/sentry_mix

(8) Grommets $10: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13012/ele-795/ModSmart_34_Inch_Cable_Tubing_Rubber_Pass_Thru_Grommet_-_4_Pack_-_GR-WPT-34-4.html

(1) PTNuke $10: http://www.petrastechshop.com/pepcobi1.html

Total: Around $700

So, please take a look and let me know if you have any ideas or suggestions. I need to make sure all the parts will work together, and that I'm not over-doing anything I don't need to do. I'm aware the radiator and fans are too much for a single CPU, but they will be used for more parts later on.

Will the fan controller control the speed of the pump, or is that not a possibility?

I can provide pictures if you need them just to offer an idea of what it'll look like.

Also, should I buy different/silver compression fittings and put in a silver coil on the Fill Port tube instead?

Anything else, let me know! Thanks!
Edited by fencingdude101 - 3/26/12 at 6:49pm
post #2 of 9
Looks good, but I think you will need more than four compression fittings. you would need 6, 2 for the CPU block, 2 for the Rad and 2 for the res.

But that tubing won't fit the compression fittings in the quick disconnects. You would need 1/2" ID and 3/4" OD tubing for those QDs, which means you need to change the other compression fittings too. You wan't want to control the pump with the fan controller though, those pumps are extremely quiet and I would recommend just running it at one hundred percent all the time.

The only other thing is, are you set on that radiator? It is from the reviews I've seen, a relatively poorly performing radiator. For the same price you could get an EX480 which should be a bit better: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14329/ex-rad-317/XSPC_EX480_Quad_120mm_Low_Profile_Split_Fin_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s570 Or you could pay quite a bit more for an RX480, which would be better yet again: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9391/ex-rad-160/XSPC_RX480_Quad_120mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s570
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Thanks for the response.

Each of the compression fittings are a pair, so I would have 8, I'm getting the extra two just in case.

Thanks for pointing out the different fitting sizes, I just changed tubing at the last minute. Should I go for the thicker OD and switch the fittings, or stick with the 5/8" OD and change Quick Disconnects. I think I'll just end up getting tubing from a different company, anyway.

As for the Rad, I was looking for one with a higher fpi, and this is the best one I could find. Could you recommend another 480mm rad with a higher fpi (20 or so?) that I could use with the current, high static pressure fans? Or is it a better idea to go with the RX480 and go with lower RPM fans (Such as Gentle Typhoons)? How much of a difference in temperatures will I see with the lower RPM fans?
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As for the Rad, I was looking for one with a higher fpi, and this is the best one I could find. Could you recommend another 480mm rad with a higher fpi (20 or so?) that I could use with the current, high static pressure fans? Or is it a better idea to go with the RX480 and go with lower RPM fans (Such as Gentle Typhoons)? How much of a difference in temperatures will I see with the lower RPM fans?

High rpm fans make a WORLD of different in performance, if you're wanting the absolute best cooling you definitely want high-rpm fans. Personally, I like the San Ace H101 (or H1011), they're ~100cfm @ 40dB, 2600 rpm with high static pressure. They make a good compromise of noise versus performance, IMO, but if you're going to run those Koolance fans at less than full speed they shouldn't be too intolerably loud.

As for the radiator, with high-rpm fans, go with the Black Ice GTX 480, it's one of the best performing high density radiators, and the build quality on them is excellent. As a comparison for fan speed, a 360mm Black Ice GTX will handle ~600w of heat at a 10C delta with 1850rpm gentle typhoons. With 2600rpm fans like the San Ace, it will handle 800w or more, and with 4000rpm fans you're looking at 1200-1300w of cooling power. You can see a chart showing this here. Going with an EX480 or RX480 and Gentle Typhoons, you're looking at half the cooling power, which means your delta will be twice as high.
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High rpm fans make a WORLD of different in performance, if you're wanting the absolute best cooling you definitely want high-rpm fans. Personally, I like the San Ace H101 (or H1011), they're ~100cfm @ 40dB, 2600 rpm with high static pressure. They make a good compromise of noise versus performance, IMO, but if you're going to run those Koolance fans at less than full speed they shouldn't be too intolerably loud.
As for the radiator, with high-rpm fans, go with the Black Ice GTX 480, it's one of the best performing high density radiators, and the build quality on them is excellent. As a comparison for fan speed, a 360mm Black Ice GTX will handle ~600w of heat at a 10C delta with 1850rpm gentle typhoons. With 2600rpm fans like the San Ace, it will handle 800w or more, and with 4000rpm fans you're looking at 1200-1300w of cooling power. You can see a chart showing this here. Going with an EX480 or RX480 and Gentle Typhoons, you're looking at half the cooling power, which means your delta will be twice as high.

Very good advice indeed^^

As for tubing, that's really up to you, the thicker walled tubing should be harder to kink, but will be tougher to bend. The thinner walled tubing will kink more easily but will take less force to bend it.
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There's no performance loss going from 1/2" ID tubing to 3/8" ID tubing, if you think you might have some tight bends you can always drop to 3/8" ID 5/8" OD. I'd definitely go with the thicker walled tubing though, it's not all that difficult to bend and the thin stuff kinks too easily IMO. If you're staying with 1/2" ID, I've always preferred 3/4" OD. Obviously, change compression fittings to match if you change anything.
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There's no performance loss going from 1/2" ID tubing to 3/8" ID tubing, if you think you might have some tight bends you can always drop to 3/8" ID 5/8" OD. I'd definitely go with the thicker walled tubing though, it's not all that difficult to bend and the thin stuff kinks too easily IMO. If you're staying with 1/2" ID, I've always preferred 3/4" OD. Obviously, change compression fittings to match if you change anything.

I think I just prefer the look of larger tubing and don't have many tight turns, I'll stick with the 1/2 ID and 3/4 OD tubing.

Quick question, should I replace all my compression fittings with quick disconnects for easier troubleshooting, or is that just a waste of money that restricts your flow rate?
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IMO, that's a waste of money and unnecessary restriction. Quick disconnects where it leaves your case are nice for if you need to move things around, but once you have it all set up there's really not a lot of reason you'd need to unhook a block.
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IMO, that's a waste of money and unnecessary restriction. Quick disconnects where it leaves your case are nice for if you need to move things around, but once you have it all set up there's really not a lot of reason you'd need to unhook a block.

Thanks, I appreciate all the feedback you gave. I still have more work to do, but I have a better idea of what to look for.
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