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I doubt Corsair has had many leak RMAs, and in the tragic case that it does happen, Corsair will reimburse you for the damaged components!
At least you admit that the H100 cools better than the best HSF. Add some fans to the H100 and you have the coolest running temps, next to a custom loop.
To Everyone: When was the last time you have driven a vehicle that isn't water cooled? Water can carry and dissipate more heat than air alone, simple fact of life.

Actually all the water does is transfer the heat to a radiator where it must be removed by - you guessed it AIR. The objective testing shows the Corsair and similar Antec closed loop coolers are thermally inefficient, noisy and a poor value compared to a highend HSF. And yes all you need to do is go to the Corsair website and see for yourself the damage caused when these H2O coolers leak and destroy your PC hardware.

The fact is closed loop coolers are a poor choice for most PC users but people are free to buy whatever makes them happy. Stating that a CLC is better because it uses water is UNTRUE as the objective cooling and noise test results show. A technically educated consumer can determine what works best for them without the misrepresentation of water vs. air cooling. The test results are very clear and the only Corsair cooler worth even considering vs. a highend HSF is the H100 and even that is a stretch if you consider noise and costs vs. a highend HSF.

Adding more fans to an H100 increases the cost and makes it an even worse value. You could add a second fan to an Xigmatek Aegir SD128264 or a Mugen 3, resulting in a max load temp drop of an additional 5C and have similar cooling for less money with zero chance of a water leak even with a 345+ watt thermal load. thumb.gif

http://www.thelab.gr/heatsinks-coolers-watercooling-reviews/cpu-cooler-review-database-89014.html

I know that in spite of the technical deficiencies of the Corsair/Antec and similar CLCs, some folks will buy them anyways, so at least they can be technically informed of the deficiencies prior to purchase instead of being disappointed after their purchase as many folks have been.

Just to be clear: I don't care what you buy for cooling but I do care that you get accurate technical information and not deceptive performance claims.
Edited by AMD4ME - 3/27/12 at 10:51am
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I doubt Corsair has had many leak RMAs, and in the tragic case that it does happen, Corsair will reimburse you for the damaged components!
At least you admit that the H100 cools better than the best HSF. Add some fans to the H100 and you have the coolest running temps, next to a custom loop.
To Everyone: When was the last time you have driven a vehicle that isn't water cooled? Water can carry and dissipate more heat than air alone, simple fact of life.

Actually all the water does is transfer the heat to a radiator where it must be removed by - you guessed it AIR. The objective testing shows the Corsair and similar Antec closed loop coolers are thermally inefficient, noisy and a poor value compared to a highend HSF. And yes all you need to do is go to the Corsair website and see for yourself the damage caused when these H2O coolers leak and destroy your PC hardware.

The fact is closed loop coolers are a poor choice for most PC users but people are free to buy whatever makes them happy. Stating that a CLC is better because it uses water is UNTRUE as the objective cooling and noise test results show. A technically educated consumer can determine what works best for them without the misrepresentation of water vs. air cooling. The test results are very clear and the only Corsair cooler worth even considering vs. a highend HSF is the H100 and even that is a stretch if you consider noise and costs vs. a highend HSF.

I know that in spite of the technical deficiencies of the Corsair/Antec and similar CLCs, some folks will buy them anyways, so at least they can be technically informed of the deficiencies prior to purchase instead of being disappointed after their purchase as many folks have been.

While most of your argument is true, you must also consider that these CLC use a coolant mix that is even less efficient at transferring heat then just water. I use a CLC system, three actually.

- H100 because with 4 AP-15's it is very quiet
- H80 because a full size tower heat sink will not fit in a lot of mATX cases
- Coolit Eco because almost no decent air-cooler fits in a SFF mITX case

I agree that price is still out of line when comparing just performance, but when you consider the applications for the coolers, it becomes apparent that the higher end CLC kits are well worth the money.
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wow looks around hmmmm i guess i opened up a can of worms here
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wow looks around hmmmm i guess i opened up a can of worms here

Yes, it's a long standing debate, hopefully this one stays civil and provides tons of information for anyone on the edge about a CLC kit.
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Sure going with water-cooling has the potential to damage some components, closed loops included. But Corsair has very good customer service and warranty and they will replace anything that was damaged due to a faulty closed loop cooler. Sure that the Corsair H series coolers are comparable to high-end air coolers, but some people like to see their motherboard, and not open their case to a giant brick of fins with massive fans towering over the CPU. But as you stated, "people are free to buy whatever makes them happy." thumb.gif
    
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I'd suggest staying with the high end air coolers or just going all out custom water. If you want better cooling consider something like the rasa kits, and don't waste your money on a H100, not worth it over your current noctua.
 
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Folks - All I'm doing is presenting FACTs because some folks do not know that CLC's are a poor cooling choice for most people. Then we have people who make technically incorrect posts to try and convince you of their beliefs. The test data tells you what you need to know about CLCs based on the three criteria most people use to purchase a CPU cooler.

You're perfectly free to buy whatever makes you happy. The coolant used makes no difference what so ever. What matters is how the CLC performs compared to a highend HSF. The objective testing confirms that the current CLCs are thermally inefficient, a poor value, noisy and have a real water-leak liability. If that's what you desire, buy them. No one is stopping you. All I'm doing is presenting accurate info. so people can make an informed buying decision instead of suffering the frustration AFTER they buy a CLC and are disappointed.

Yes we do go thru the same silliness in many threads because the CLC fans refuse to accept the test data showing the CLCs are thermally inefficient, noisy and a poor value. redface.gif Reality doesn't change just because some folks don't like it.

BUY WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY !
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