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Ahh thanks for clarifying, I knew somewhere under all that jumble of words, there was an arguement.
@drbaltazar as Guy said I dont think changing 1 host file is enough to redirect all your traffic to MS. What MS needs to do is to have a dedicated server to store all these, and a whole program to even monitor all these. But its against FTC regulations to have a tracking software without user consent, which classifies that program as a virus, which puts MS under some intense legal actions. Also if you think MS is already doing that through Host files; like I said before I wonder why they havent cracked down illegal copies of windows yet.

I see what he's saying now.

But you are right. Tracking like that without consent could lead to a massive legal tussle between the FTC and Microsoft. What drbaltazar is suggesting, while interesting, will never come to fruition due to all the legal ramifications that will accompany it. Monitoring programs, while a good idea in this case, are frowned upon by the general populace.
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too true !would be probably even more tempting for all os make to track this! lol!oh well !there is no win scenario ,for average joe web user!ty for feedback guys!didnt think about the possible abuse!i hoped ,it could be prevented ,but it probably cant!
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if noscript and adblock worked i wouldnt be posting here !but ty for the sugestion!like i say a lot of stuff is done via the host file it goes far far further then just spam!

Chill out blazer ... there is no fix all be all lol ... omw ... Host file being changed every month... could work ... i guess ... but why change that... why not make the IPS responsible for protecting us ... if they are going to spy on us they better also protect us ...
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Adblock and Noscript solves all these problems.

I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression that these do far less for protecting online privacy than most people think. They're great for not disrupting your browsing experience/habits, and they do block intruding advertisements, but they don't do a whole lot to prevent people from seeing what you're doing either. At least, not to the point where it prevents your ISP from seeing what you're doing.
    
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"guy!you are right!you just dont see the stuff but behind the scene it isnt stopping anything!(sadly)if it did !web would stop working very fast ,was tried before they had to just disable what we see!nope only way i have seen thus far is via host file!
Edited by drbaltazar - 3/27/12 at 6:15am
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Chill out blazer ... there is no fix all be all lol ... omw ... Host file being changed every month... could work ... i guess ... but why change that... why not make the IPS responsible for protecting us ... if they are going to spy on us they better also protect us ...

Or they could just stop monitoring us all together. However, due to the information lost, that will never happen. The ISP's are responsible for providing internet access to us, not protecting our information. The duty of information protection should be two fold.

1. Consumer level protection (be careful what you put on the internet)
2. Company level protection (not sharing sensitive information)

The ISP's are just a courier in all of this. The last thing that we want is an ISP playing big brother. If that happens, you can forget about the internet as we know it right now. I'm content with an ISP just continuing to let me have my internet access without impeding access.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 3/27/12 at 6:17am
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post #27 of 33
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if noscript and adblock worked i wouldnt be posting here !but ty for the sugestion!like i say a lot of stuff is done via the host file it goes far far further then just spam!
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I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression that these do far less for protecting online privacy than most people think. They're great for not disrupting your browsing experience/habits, and they do block intruding advertisements, but they don't do a whole lot to prevent people from seeing what you're doing either. At least, not to the point where it prevents your ISP from seeing what you're doing.

They stop any scripts running on pages that might collect your personal data and stop any ads from running too (which also collect personal data) but you're right that they won't stop your ISP from collecting data about browsing habits and selling that on (which is a problem in itself and this dudes host file suggestion isn't going to stop that) but otherwise, those two add-ons are pretty much the equivalent of duct tape!

The other problems are crap like EA (Origin), Steam and other programs on your computer that mine information on you. The FTC is going in the right direction but they're being very light footed about it. What's wrong with outright slamming al...wait, that's in America where corporations rule the roost frown.gif That's what needs to be done, though. There needs to be enforced regulation that says "no, if a user doesn't want it then you must stop or be fined into obvlivion" Because if average Joe can be fined $80k per song downloaded because of corporate pressure on the courts system, then surely they can be fined ?$80k per user's rights violated? They'd soon stop.

Even innocent sites like OCN aren't free from this BS, either. I know OCN doesn't condone blocking their ads, but I don't care because those ads access my location, IP, etc etc and then share all that information with others and do their sirty work, so, blocking all ads for me is the only way to go. I personally hate advertising that much I want to at least deny them (the advertisiers. OCN is just friendly fire, unfortunately) revenue as much as possible from me (opted out as much as possible from Google's BS, too).
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post #28 of 33
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if noscript and adblock worked i wouldnt be posting here !but ty for the sugestion!like i say a lot of stuff is done via the host file it goes far far further then just spam!
OHH shoot Now I think I know what hes trying to say.

Ok guys lets my favourite game called clarify. biggrin.gif
baltazar Is trying to tell us, Im pretty sure, that we should use Host files to Block people like Ms and other companies, instead of having MS use the Host files to track us. I think that this theory consistently goes with what he posts. As nice as that sounds I think your going to need a very large list for all the companies you want to block out baltazar. I think not alot of people would like to go through the hassle of having to add in every single ip address they wish blocked through the host file as apposed to the automatic blocking offered by noscript and adblock.


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too true !would be probably even more tempting for all os make to track this! lol!oh well !there is no win scenario ,for average joe web user!ty for feedback guys!didnt think about the possible abuse!i hoped ,it could be prevented ,but it probably cant!
Yes there is no win scenario for the average user, but there can be some gaining in lost ground if the FTC decides to step in properly. As for abuse.. I dont think there was abuse as apposed to us trying to understand what you posted. If you using a translation software I applaud you for taking the effort to post in these forums. But I think you should atleast change the exclamation marks to periods instead.
post #29 of 33
because nobody behing corporative want this to happen!they want statucuo!this way they can do whatever they want,all major os wont saay a thing everybody is happy!
yes i am doing the host file thing manually since ms doesnt provide it !but it would be nice if i didnt have to counter mesure!lol used to be you opt-out of whatever you chose and boom was fine now we have to go to extreme mesure because of all the malicious junk on the web!sorry i am ranting on this past lol!
post #30 of 33
nonono!renaming the host file and changing it of place work !trust me no need for all mumbo jumbo!but for now we have to do it manually and i doubt os maker will cooperate on this idea lol!
here is the basic idea of what i mention:http://bit.ly/my2uZE
Edited by drbaltazar - 3/27/12 at 6:28am
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