Originally Posted by ChaoticKinesis
I wasn't talking about all rap, but rather specific songs. There's also plenty of metal out there that is noise to me. I have no intention of arguing tastes, since my point was never about invalidating the musical tastes of others. It all goes back to the question of "what is art?" and whether it makes sense to say that it is whatever anyone wishes to label as such. Some would argue that everything can be art, while others disagree. I happen to fall into the camp that doesn't see the value in drawing an outline of a square on a canvas, throwing a bucket of paint on it, and calling it a masterpiece.
Pointlessly cursing into a microphone or tremolo picking a single power chord on a guitar is no different.
I'm sure there is something out there that someone considers art, where you would disagree. If that is true, your argument breaks down. If not, well then kudos to you.
The subject is not whether it is a masterpiece, but whether it is art.
You've changed your argument to something different with that statement and have brought your personal tastes into what can be considered art, when your personal taste can never define what art is.
If anything, you've basically put yourself into the first category you describe by in your own words accepting that the outline of a square with random paint on it is art, then going on to judge how good the piece of art is by basically saying "I dont think it's a masterpiece".
You basically attempted to denounce something as art because you didn't like it, just as you say you find a hard time finding some rap a form of art because you dont very much like some parts of it.
Art is basically an expression of a person. Whether another person is interested in that art does not add or subtract any "this is art" points.
Organising your front room a certain way is an art as it encompases an expression of yourself. Then people show up and judge your art "I like your choice of colours blah blah blah".
As I hope I have showcased, I am not the type to try and tell another what is or what is not as I have made it clear that my singular opinion is not a determining factor.
All I can do is give my opinion on it.Edited by GrizzleBoy - 4/3/12 at 4:33pm