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Only thing that I have that runs bad is SC Broodwar. It's not FPS it's the colors and bad resolution, but that makes sense. Halo on the other hand has run great on every computer that I have owned in the past 8 years. So I must agree. tongue.gif

For Broodwar, kill explorer while you have the game running. Fixes the color problem.

Also Halo works fine on my PC.
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id love to see amd 9000 vs nvidia 10k series in late 2020..
moot arguement is moot.

If Nvidia can't make a profit on 22nm, they can stick with 28nm. Then AMD will go on to 22nm, make a faster card and beat Nvidia. Then we'll see how little money there is in 22nm. Do you understand yet?
 
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Nvidia has built a very good rep. Im sure they can manage this issue in the future with no problems if it keeps their spot up
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And you arrive at exactly my point. Games on PC are not made for PC. They are made for consoles, with PC as an afterthought, and as such will always be inefficient.

No, the inefficiency comes from the many faces of PC hardware. The developer doesn't know I run a GTX 470, or that you run a GTX 295. Or that person x runs a HD7970, etc. Nothing to do with consoles...Neither is the graphics quality not increasing much, that all comes down to having to ensure the slowest platforms with significant marketshare are supported...You'd see games being maxed out on a GTX 260 still even if there were no consoles, why? Because only a small amount of PC gamers have anything faster, those extra hours, etc of making the game look nicer isn't going to pay for itself.
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I've seen some actual ports that were inefficient, like GTA4,

That was more the engine than it being ported. It had some performance issues on the consoles too.
    
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No, the inefficiency comes from the many faces of PC hardware. The developer doesn't know I run a GTX 470, or that you run a GTX 295. Or that person x runs a HD7970, etc. Nothing to do with consoles...Neither is the graphics quality not increasing much, that all comes down to having to ensure the slowest platforms with significant marketshare are supported...You'd see games being maxed out on a GTX 260 still even if there were no consoles, why? Because only a small amount of PC gamers have anything faster, those extra hours, etc of making the game look nicer isn't going to pay for itself.
That was more the engine than it being ported. It had some performance issues on the consoles too.

Gaming has been blow out of proportion.
It's too big, too costly and there are too many risks.

In the early days there were small studios with a hand full of developers aiming at a small demographic. Less risk. A studio like i.d. was able to take a leap with something like Quake which ran like crap on anything under a Pentium 100 and very few people had anything faster, but the games were breakthroughs.

It's sad really. The industry is as big as Hollywood but stagnating like the cheese in the back of a fridge.
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Halo works fine on my machine, I think 04549 is PEBKAC.

Nah, that's harsh. There probably is something in particular stopping it from working on his system that he hasn't yet discovered. I doubt we have very many PEBKAC's on this forum tongue.gif
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Nah, that's harsh. There probably is something in particular stopping it from working on his system that he hasn't yet discovered. I doubt we have very many PEBKAC's on this forum tongue.gif

You would be surprised how many people on here know crap all about even the most basic (for an enthusiast) stuff.
    
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There's no money in 22nm...now.
    
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You would be surprised how many people on here know crap all about even the most basic (for an enthusiast) stuff.

Well, yeah we have the help sections that are full of novices... but I was just trying to be kind tongue.gif
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Wow, and 28nm is still darn new for Nvidia. It's just a matter of time we get to something smaller than 28nm. Maybe 22nm, 18nm or 10nm. Who knows. We all thing when the new smallest and best comes out, oh what could top 64nm, what could top 40nm, what could top 32nm...and yet its just a matter of time till we get there. I'm sure 28nm has tons of improvements to be made. Just like the differences between Nvidia's 2**series, 4**series and 5** series cards. They get better over time when they find ways to improve things.

Not concerned.
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