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[FixerUpper Worklog] My first Watercooled Project Looking for help w/my 700D

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Why hello everyone Nycste here sharing my build with everyone looking for any and all tips. This build is pretty budget oriented so please keep that in mind and my starting point is already a finished project in need of assistance which is why I came here and decided to post my log and ask for help rather then just read page upon pages nonstop smile.gif...


Hardware

Corsair 700D Case
Corsair HX1000w Power Supply
Asrock P67 Extreme4 Gen3 Intel Motherboard
Intel i5 2500K CPU
G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1866
Evga GTX 460 FPB
2 Intel G2 Raid 0 SSD Harddrives
2 Storage Drives

Watercooled Components
Black Ice GTX Extreme 360mm Radiator
Swiftech 655 with speed control and EK v2 top
EK-MultiOption RES X2 - 250 Basic - Liquid Cooling Reservoir (4 Total Ports)
EK HF Supreme Clear CPU Waterblock
Primoflex 1/2 x 3/4 Black Tubing
w some Hardware Store Clear Tubing

Fans Consist of
AeroCool Gate Watcher 2 Front Panel Fan Controller
2x 140mm Corsair and Coolermaster Basic Fans
3x 120mm Coolermaster R4s Blue Leds
2x 120mm Silverstone Everflows
1x 120mm S-Flex Somethings

28 Inch Hanns-g Monitor
Microsoft Sidewinder x4 Keyboard
Thermaltake TT Sports Black Element Gaming Mouse
Logitech 5.1 Surround Sound Speaker System

I think that covers everything


Step 1
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and my backup controller
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Current Setup
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Post Number 3 Will Hold All of My Questions Fixes Etc

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Temps and Scores

Updated Temps and OC adjustments in case anyone wanted to compare
Watercooled

@stock @3.3-3.7Ghz @1.0V-1.18V
P95 = 42/44_48/50
IBT = 48/54_46/52 @1.18V @standard 10passes 90GFlops
IBT = 48/55_46/53 @1.18V @2passes Ram6878MAX 95GFlops
IBT = 49/54_47/51 @11passes ram2k 89gflops

After cleaning + Tims + Distilled Water and Yate Loons
IBT = 44/49_41/47 @1.18V @standard 25passes 90GFlops @21.2 C Ambient
p95 = 41/46_40/45 Blend @22.5C Ambient


Cinebench
@stock, 41/47_39/45C
@4.8Ghz Dudes OC TEMPS=@55/61C - 53/58C
@4.8GHZ DUDES OC Temps=@55/60C - 52/57C GPU=65.25 CPU=7.53 CPUSC=1.93
BEST SCORES EVER = GPU=69.02, CPU=7.89, CPUSC=2.02 @5GHZ

Heaven (to be updated)


LinX
@stock @6144mem, run 5x Temps 45-51_43/49
@4.8GHZ Auto OC 1.37V @73/83 - 69/79 @132Glops
@4.8GHZ DUDE OC 1.33V @69/78 - 66/75 @129GLOPS

Linx x Latest AVX After cleaning + Tims + Distilled Water and Yate Loons
@4.8GHZ Dude OC 1.33V 119.0147GflopsPeak 59/68_56/64 @10000Problems n 772 MEM x20


Prime95
@4.0 auto OC max temps 56/61 - 52/58 @1.32-1.33V
@4.8 auto OC max temps 65/73 - 62/70 @1.41-1.48V
@4.8 DUDE OC max temps 60/66 - 57/63 @1.33/1.34V @17RUNS blend
@4.8 DUDE OC max temps 61/68 - 58/65 @1.33 @233 Tests 2hours 44mins

After cleaning + Tims + Distilled Water and Yate Loons
@4.8 Dude OC max temps 56/61 - 53/57 @1.33 @27 Blended Runs @23C Ambient
@4.8 Dude OC max temps 57/62 - 54/59 @1.33 @634 Blended Runs @23C Ambient

IBT
@4.0GHZ @auto - @1.31-1.34V Temps= 62/71 - 60/68
@4.8GHZ @auto - @1.37-1.43V Temps= 73/83 - 69/79 128 GLOPS
@4.8GHZ @DUDES - @1.33 Temps= 67/75 - 64/72 @121 GFLOPS
@4.8GHZ @DUDES - @1.33 Temps= 68/77 - 65/74 @129.5 GFLOPS @4096gb ram
@4.8Ghz @DUDES - @1.33 Temps= 65/74 - 62/71 @121 GLOPS @Standard Ram 1024

After cleaning + Tims + Distilled Water and Yate Loons
@4.8GHZ @Dudes - @1.33V Temps= 59/67 - 55/63 @118.5 Glops @1024Ram @16GBx1600 @23C Ambient
@4.8GHZ @Dudes - @1.33V Temps= 59/68 - 56/63 @122.1 Glops @2048Ram @16GBx1600 @23C Ambient


BF3 TEmps
@4.8Ghz dudez @1.33 @58/62 - 56/61


LOL
@3.3 STOCK 1.18-1.21V 33/41_32/40 @22.2 C Ambient, 56C Video Aircooled


@IDLE Doing NOTHING!
@4.8GHZ DUdes settings 1.33/1.34V TEmps = 27/53 - 29/49

After Cleaning @ IDLE
@4.8GHZ Dudes Settings @1.33 @23C Ambient, 28/43_30/43 (Lowest/Highest)


MaxMem
@8GBs
@3.3 Stock = 18.25GB/s @1600 (9-10-9-28-1T)
@3.3 Stock = 18.44GB/s @1600 (9-9-9-24-1T)
@3.3 Stock = 19.88GB/s @1866 (9-10-9-28-1T)
@3.3 Stock = 19.93GB/s @2133 (11-15-15-38-1T)
@3.3 Stock = 20.77GB/s @2133 (11-11-11-30-1T)
@4.0 AutoOC = 21.07GB/s @1866 (9-10-9-28-1T)
@4.8 DUDES = 23.12GB/s @1866 (9-10-9-28-2T)

@16GBS
@3.3 Stock = 18.39GB/s @1600 (11-11-11-28-2T)
@3.3 Stock = 20.00GB/s @1866 (9-10-9-28-2T)
@4.8 DudeOC = 21.34GB/s @1600 (9-10-9-28-2T)
@4.8 DudeOC = 23.22GB/s @1866 (9-10-9-28-2T)


Passmark 16GB
Ram @Stock 3.3 @1600 11-11-11-28-2T = 2934.0 PR
Ram @stock 3.3 @1866 09-10-09-28-2T = 4055.1 PR
Ram @4.8OC @1600 09-10-09-28-2T = 5289.4 PR
Ram @4.8OC @1866 09-10-09-28-2T = 5302.0 PR

DUDES = Someone elses recommended 4.8 GHZ OC which I am currently using and only have 1 BSOD while playing LOL and have not been able to reproduce the crash and failed to record the log error I am setup in future to have that message saved.


And please people if some of my temps or settings look totally wrong feel free to correct me! I am new to all of this and want this system running smooth whether it be stock of OC'ed

Here are my current 4.8OC bios settings they are stable yet I do not enjoy how they stay at 4.8 instead of under clocking to 1.6 when not in use I do plan on adjusting this soon and any tips are welcome.


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Edited by nycste - 4/24/12 at 1:38pm
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Reserved

Things to do!!!

1. Replace EK Res with Replacement Arriving hopefully this week! Does anyone know how high the RES is supposed to be filled and does changing it upside down from how I currently have it change anything? For ex I saw someone have two smaller RES with the intake tubes pointing down and his water was not all swirly swirly like mine is right now it does look cool but I have no idea which is proper or ideal setup and if it matters??

2. Clean entire system especially RAD because I skipped this for fear of breaking RES and having no system for two weeks!!

Ok so those are the two things that must be done once my new RES comes in.

Next up the fixer upper part looking for tips and advice because lots of stuff I am unsure of.

3. Changing all tubes to White 1/2 x 3/4 perhaps getting UV tubes ?

4. If not white tubing not sure which color to get I was leaning on ordering two sets of tubes one white and one not sure while keeping current ones as basckup.

5. Upgrading or just adding two more sticks of ram. Currently 1866 I can return these and get 4 sticks of 2133 but after some initial testing my ram sticks can hit 2133 at stock Voltz and better speeds then the slightly more expensive ram. Any Opinions?

6. Replace all of some of the fans. Ideally I was eyeballing buying 3-6 AP-15s Gentle Typhoons only because well they seem to be the most recommended fan out there for any radiator and are super silent otherwise. Otherwise my only other choices would be to replace them with a different color LED setup which is still to be determined.

7. Currently my radiator and fans are all held unto the top with the fan screws not the screws that hook into the RAD is this ok? or should I change that?

8. Fittings I currently have a few compression fittings of mixed parts and the rest are barbs. I have read that as long as nothing is leaking either or is perfectly safe and fine and I do agree but I do want to make them all match down the road and was leaning on a darker black look for them especially if I have white tubing on a black case background sounds good?

9. In terms of coolent I was leaning on ditching the blue color and going plain distilled water. I was advised to also add a few drops of some type of protectant and I forget which that is ATM and I also do not have any. I also do not appear to have a silver coil although I might find one when I take this all apart. Any recommendations on proper setup does the total amount of water matter or any tips would be great!

10. Add LED lights, esp black lights if I go UV tubing. I have yet to see or find a proper white tubing with purple leds as that is what my goals are set on but without actually seeing it i am hesitant to go ahead and order it especially since I'd have to replace my 3 blue led fans. Perhaps blue leds on the white tubing would look pretty good I have seen many cases go that route.

11. I currently have a AeroCool Gate Watcher 2 which appears broken and its blueish LED style and very large. I am in communication with AeroCool about fixing or solving my problems but I might end up just selling it hopefully and getting a simple turn knob fan controller. I do however have a really old Vantec Nexus fan controller 4 knobs supposed to support 7V-12V and each channel will support 15-18W how good is this? how many fans can I possibly store do you happen to know?

12. Thermal Grease to purchase when I reseat my CPU block i am leaning on Timtronics Grey Ice 4200 Non-Silicone Thermal Paste - 28 Gram or Prolimatech PK-1 Nano Aluminum Thermal Compound - 5 Gram because both have gotten awards and excellent reviews any extra comments perhaps?

13. I am interested in connecting my pump to my res underneath I think so that it is one unit is this do able with my current parts or do I need to buy another adapter type piece?

Ok well I think I covered all the topics I am currently looking to fix up, solve or otherwise get advice on I'll cross my fingers for some good tips and feel free to leave pictures of similiar cases that would help give me color inspirations as I do live in the OCN water cooling club and picture gallery forums haha.
Edited by nycste - 3/27/12 at 12:27pm
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How did you crack that Res ?

- Nice build otherwise thumb.gif
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How did you crack that Res ?
- Nice build otherwise thumb.gif

Thanks for stopping by to answer your question I do not know the entire bottom is cracked all around almost perfectly in a sense.

EK seems like a great company and is shipping me a replacement because of this.

Any building or color tips you could share? Ahh also the top leaks sometimes but I've been afraid to even touch my case to increase the lifespan until I get my replacement.
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I'll try and answer some of your questions.

1. I'd say half way to three quarters. If it comes with one of these, I'd advice on using that, I've had no issues.

3. White tubing might look good or just some clear to show off the dye in the fluid.

5. That's upto you but imo, returning stuff that's not broken or incorrect is wrong.

6. Get AP-15's they're great but no fan is silent. The AP-15's are fairly quite but not silent.

7. Do you mean you've put fan screws into the radiator?

8. A bunch of dark coloured compressions sounds good to me, make sure to get decent ones though. Also using comps and barbs at the same time is fine.

9. Check out Mayhem's coolant, it's awesome stuff.

11. That Vantec one sounds okay, the new NZTX controllers are good too.

12. I use Prolimatech PK-1 as I got it as a review sample and it's excellent stuff.

13. I would try and do that although you may need a male to male type piece. There's no point really having the pump in the bottom of the case.

Good luck!
Edited by Willhemmens - 3/27/12 at 11:45am
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Thanks for stopping by to answer your question I do not know the entire bottom is cracked all around almost perfectly in a sense.
EK seems like a great company and is shipping me a replacement because of this.
Any building or color tips you could share? Ahh also the top leaks sometimes but I've been afraid to even touch my case to increase the lifespan until I get my replacement.

Oh, that sounds nice ! - I use EK parts my self, and my top on my res tend to leak some too.. Maybe it is a error on all there tops ?

- Maybe you could go Patel blue biggrin.gif that would look awesome thumb.gif
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I'll try and answer some of your questions.
1. I'd say half way to three quarters. If it comes with one of these, I'd advice on using that, I've had no issues

That part does look pretty cool I am glad you brought it to my attention. I noticed that it appears upside down or is that correct side up? So that the water enters the RES from the top out the tube then doesn't swirl around because that EK part keeps it from spiraling?

3. White tubing might look good or just some clear to show off the dye in the fluid.

This is true I am going to save the blue dye and go clear on my next build and most likely use white and see how I do or do not like it.


5. That's upto you but imo, returning stuff that's not broken or incorrect is wrong.

Yea I am pretty sure I will just order 2 more sticks of what I already have down the road!

6. Get AP-15's they're great but no fan is silent. The AP-15's are fairly quite but not silent.

Ap-15s always seem to win, do you happen to know if spray painting them could ruin them as long as you do it pretty good or would it make them uneven and stuff?

7. Do you mean you've put fan screws into the radiator?

Ahh I meant that my 6 fans are connected to the 360 RAD and that unit (6fans + rad) connects to the case currently only by the fan screws to the top inside of the case. Does this matter at all in general or not advised I did not set this up so I was looking to correct it if advised to do so.

8. A bunch of dark coloured compressions sounds good to me, make sure to get decent ones though. Also using comps and barbs at the same time is fine.

Sounds good thanks

9. Check out Mayhem's coolant, it's awesome stuff.

I will I was just afraid of dying my components especially since I am knew to all of this.

11. That Vantec one sounds okay, the new NZTX controllers are good too.

Yea the only downside to the old vantec to me is that it is Blue leds out the front and blue really isnt my thing atm. Sure my opinions might change once I see how blue leds on white looks but I would prefer to change it. Any idea if you can change the vantec leds from default? Otherwise my buddy has a good controller he would sell me so he could upgrade his

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12. I use Prolimatech PK-1 as I got it as a review sample and it's excellent stuff.

Good to know yea its either that stuff or the other stuff I mentioned whichever really gives me more paste for less money since they are all really close in performance.


13. I would try and do that although you may need a male to male type piece. There's no point really having the pump in the bottom of the case.
Good luck!

Yea I will have to get a confirmation on this. What did you mean exaxctly by no point having pump on bottom of case does that mean where I currently have it? Would it matter if I moved it where the bottom hdd bays are or no point in having it anywhere on the bottom and would be better keeping it closer or above the power supply?

Edited by nycste - 3/27/12 at 8:24pm
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That part does look pretty cool I am glad you brought it to my attention. I noticed that it appears upside down or is that correct side up? So that the water enters the RES from the top out the tube then doesn't swirl around because that EK part keeps it from spiraling?

That's the right way up. On the adv versions you can install the any turbulance pipes at the top and bottom. All the tubes are removable. I have two 18W DDC's, quite a lot of pressure and a decent flow rate. I don't have any pipes fitted and just the thing I linked too before. My res sits pretty flat when it's installed.

Ap-15s always seem to win, do you happen to know if spray painting them could ruin them as long as you do it pretty good or would it make them uneven and stuff?

It's been argued a bunch of times and some maths person decided that basically aslong as you get a pretty even coat, you'll be fine. I'd just give the AP-15's a good day or so of testing before painting though, just to ensure they're all okay. I've never heard of a DOA AP-15 though.

Ahh I meant that my 6 fans are connected to the 360 RAD and that unit (6fans + rad) connects to the case currently only by the fan screws to the top inside of the case. Does this matter at all in general or not advised I did not set this up so I was looking to correct it if advised to do so.

So you're saying that the screws that are holding your upper layer of fans on are passing through your case, then the fan and then screwed into the rad? If so yup, that's fine, that's what we all do. Personally I like mine more complicated for looks, I have some very short screws that only pass through one later of the fan and the fans are then attached to the case via normal black fan screws. I just like the heads more.

I will I was just afraid of dying my components especially since I am knew to all of this.

Mayhem's coolant won't stain your pipes or components, it's good stuff. It's the only dye I'd put in my loop if I used dye which I do plan to do again.

Yea the only downside to the old vantec to me is that it is Blue leds out the front and blue really isnt my thing atm. Sure my opinions might change once I see how blue leds on white looks but I would prefer to change it. Any idea if you can change the vantec leds from default? Otherwise my buddy has a good controller he would sell me so he could upgrade his

No idea, you'd probably have to solder on new ones and that's difficult to do so I'd just get a new one.


Yea I will have to get a confirmation on this. What did you mean exaxctly by no point having pump on bottom of case does that mean where I currently have it? Would it matter if I moved it where the bottom hdd bays are or no point in having it anywhere on the bottom and would be better keeping it closer or above the power supply?

Well your loop would be cleaner if your pump wasn't under there, you wouldn't have to use the ugly holes at the front of the case and have those ugly bends You could use one of these to join the pump and res together although you may need a slightly thicker one, my res has a step into where the fittings screw.

Also what is the point in that extender on the input of your rad? Seems pretty pointless it being there.
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That part does look pretty cool I am glad you brought it to my attention. I noticed that it appears upside down or is that correct side up? So that the water enters the RES from the top out the tube then doesn't swirl around because that EK part keeps it from spiraling?
That's the right way up. On the adv versions you can install the any turbulance pipes at the top and bottom. All the tubes are removable. I have two 18W DDC's, quite a lot of pressure and a decent flow rate. I don't have any pipes fitted and just the thing I linked too before. My res sits pretty flat when it's installed.
Ap-15s always seem to win, do you happen to know if spray painting them could ruin them as long as you do it pretty good or would it make them uneven and stuff?
It's been argued a bunch of times and some maths person decided that basically aslong as you get a pretty even coat, you'll be fine. I'd just give the AP-15's a good day or so of testing before painting though, just to ensure they're all okay. I've never heard of a DOA AP-15 though.
Ahh I meant that my 6 fans are connected to the 360 RAD and that unit (6fans + rad) connects to the case currently only by the fan screws to the top inside of the case. Does this matter at all in general or not advised I did not set this up so I was looking to correct it if advised to do so.
So you're saying that the screws that are holding your upper layer of fans on are passing through your case, then the fan and then screwed into the rad? If so yup, that's fine, that's what we all do. Personally I like mine more complicated for looks, I have some very short screws that only pass through one later of the fan and the fans are then attached to the case via normal black fan screws. I just like the heads more.
I will I was just afraid of dying my components especially since I am knew to all of this.
Mayhem's coolant won't stain your pipes or components, it's good stuff. It's the only dye I'd put in my loop if I used dye which I do plan to do again.
Yea the only downside to the old vantec to me is that it is Blue leds out the front and blue really isnt my thing atm. Sure my opinions might change once I see how blue leds on white looks but I would prefer to change it. Any idea if you can change the vantec leds from default? Otherwise my buddy has a good controller he would sell me so he could upgrade his
No idea, you'd probably have to solder on new ones and that's difficult to do so I'd just get a new one.
Yea I will have to get a confirmation on this. What did you mean exaxctly by no point having pump on bottom of case does that mean where I currently have it? Would it matter if I moved it where the bottom hdd bays are or no point in having it anywhere on the bottom and would be better keeping it closer or above the power supply?
Well your loop would be cleaner if your pump wasn't under there, you wouldn't have to use the ugly holes at the front of the case and have those ugly bends You could use one of these to join the pump and res together although you may need a slightly thicker one, my res has a step into where the fittings screw.
Also what is the point in that extender on the input of your rad? Seems pretty pointless it being there.

Hey again trust me I am glad your here giving me things to think about and well this is all new to me. Lets answer all those questions!

So yea the whole rad topic is answered here by this picture which was kinda hard to take haha jesus look at all my dust crap! I will have my rig off the floor soon in hopes that height will remove some of the debries.

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I will def have to checkout Mayhem, I do wish Frozen carried them as I plan on doing business with them.

I like your well our idea of connecting the RES to the Pump and I am not sure what parts I need but I did watch some videos which could help figure it out.

I did not set this tower up, I will be doing all the adjusting from here on out because now its all mine so I did not install that extender and I do not know its full function yet perhaps I will figure it out the second I take this case apart in the upcoming week or so.

Thanks again Willhemmens



AHH PS - What speed should my pump be at with my current setup CPU only?
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