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lachen.gif You cannot possibly be serious? lachen.gif
I went from a single GTX580 at 1920x1080, to a single 7970 at 2560x1600. And I noticed HUGE framerate jumps, even with twice the resolution. eek.gif
So you're telling me, that him getting a card that's well OVER twice as fast as his previous one, he WON'T see noticeable gains? That is absolutely laughable at best.
Also, make note that the OP has already said that the monitor is old, that he has a BenQ 1080p screen.


I already heard and undersood your experience with the card, and I take your word for it. However, I question it due to the mountains of sistemized data in the review that say otherwise smile.gif
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lachen.gif You cannot possibly be serious? lachen.gif
I went from a single GTX580 at 1920x1080, to a single 7970 at 2560x1600. And I noticed HUGE framerate jumps, even with twice the resolution. eek.gif
So you're telling me, that him getting a card that's well OVER twice as fast as his previous one, he WON'T see noticeable gains? That is absolutely laughable at best.
Also, make note that the OP has already said that the monitor is old, that he has a BenQ 1080p screen.


I already heard and undersood your experience with the card, and I take your word for it. However, I question it due to the mountains of sistemized data in the review that say otherwise smile.gif

The reviews show cards at stock clocks.....

Note any of the 680 vs 7970 threads. The cards are tied after overclocking.

Note the 2-3 month old 7970 threads comparing them to previous gen cards. People that had 6990's are happy with their upgrade to a single 7970, getting the same performance.
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i got to say,i am surprised it does this good! with the bufferbloat issues!
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That is great and all. What about real life gaming performance? smile.gif
My guess is that only in Metro and *maybe* BF3, you'll see some difference, close to the astronomical numbers in the synthetic benches smile.gif
To all of the above - the 20% I gave initally were exactly my prediction of real life difference, and I still stand by it. smile.gif (except of OP games on 3 monitors)

As I said my sig hasn't been updated, I'll update it tomorrow, but I have a BenQ xl2420t. I've been checking out 3d on some old games mostly today, I did give crysis 1 a try though and got around 80 fps with 3d on and constant 120+ without. I'll try Metro and gta iv tomorrow.
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You guys have crazy figures for things!

Benchmarks are benchmarks! Showing X or Y Fps counter doesn't equate to anything. You can have a game running at 60fps, that feels like it is running at 20fps purely down to bad programming! Do you really think the fps counter in games really shows exactly how smooth a game is running?

I have a friend who works on games, windows 8, driver programming for phones etc.. He actually writes the code that displays the fps, it doesn't necessarily scale the same in every game.

There is no disputing the GTX 680 is double the performance. Absolutely none what so ever! And yes, fps is a measure of how many frames you are seeing, but that doesn't necessarily mean those frames feel responsive, granted the vast majority of new games are well programmed and the fps scales with how smooth it feels, but real world difference, as someone else mentioned earlier is, how much will it effect visuals on a single monitor, regardless of fps!

Counters these days are really frustrating and make you feel like you have a weak system, even if you've spent £2000, £3000 etc... Performance doesn't even scale with cost all that well with gaming.

I have a soft spot for benchmarks and getting high fps, but I've just come to realise, it doesn't make that much difference! I bought my friend an HD 6950 for his birthday. He has a q6600 @ 2.4ghz, 4gb xms2 800mhz ram etc... And we put my £2200 system, next to his 5 year old £1000 system that is probably worth around £400 overall including the new card... And there is no real world difference until you start benchmarking.

Even with skyrim high vs ultra with texture mods etc... No real world difference. Yeah you can compare ambient occlusion, extra injectors etc... But again... Compared to my system below, the extra £1800 mine cost in comparison.... Seems ridiculous!

He runs Crysis with the same settings as me, totally fine, bar around 10-20 fps in some areas! My card is or was double the price... And for what reason?

The only upgrade that has ever done anything has been my monitor, which has done wonders! But below 60fps, still feels exactly the same as my old monitor, and I can't max games out at 120fps at all! Not with a single GTX 580!

I'm not saying that it's pointless to do what we do, we do it cause we love it when a game runs perfectly, or our benchmarks show how much effort we have put in. Or so you can gain every split second you can in a game... Making it smooth, fast and viewable whilst aiming!

I would love a 680, but considering what I've just said, right now I'd be happier with a £700 system and £1500 in my back pocket.

I guarantee even spending £400 on the 680 and £400 on an i5 2550, p8p67, 8gb ddr3 1600mhz etc... Would slaughter my rig in performance in games right now at more than half the cost!

It's a shame I love maximum performance so much! Cause I would have so much more money to play with hahaha!






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You guys have crazy figures for things!
Benchmarks are benchmarks! Showing X or Y Fps counter doesn't equate to anything. You can have a game running at 60fps, that feels like it is running at 20fps purely down to bad programming! Do you really think the fps counter in games really shows exactly how smooth a game is running?
I have a friend who works on games, windows 8, driver programming for phones etc.. He actually writes the code that displays the fps, it doesn't necessarily scale the same in every game.
There is no disputing the GTX 680 is double the performance. Absolutely none what so ever! And yes, fps is a measure of how many frames you are seeing, but that doesn't necessarily mean those frames feel responsive, granted the vast majority of new games are well programmed and the fps scales with how smooth it feels, but real world difference, as someone else mentioned earlier is, how much will it effect visuals on a single monitor, regardless of fps!
Counters these days are really frustrating and make you feel like you have a weak system, even if you've spent £2000, £3000 etc... Performance doesn't even scale with cost all that well with gaming.
I have a soft spot for benchmarks and getting high fps, but I've just come to realise, it doesn't make that much difference! I bought my friend an HD 6950 for his birthday. He has a q6600 @ 2.4ghz, 4gb xms2 800mhz ram etc... And we put my £2200 system, next to his 5 year old £1000 system that is probably worth around £400 overall including the new card... And there is no real world difference until you start benchmarking.
Even with skyrim high vs ultra with texture mods etc... No real world difference. Yeah you can compare ambient occlusion, extra injectors etc... But again... Compared to my system below, the extra £1800 mine cost in comparison.... Seems ridiculous!
He runs Crysis with the same settings as me, totally fine, bar around 10-20 fps in some areas! My card is or was double the price... And for what reason?
The only upgrade that has ever done anything has been my monitor, which has done wonders! But below 60fps, still feels exactly the same as my old monitor, and I can't max games out at 120fps at all! Not with a single GTX 580!
I'm not saying that it's pointless to do what we do, we do it cause we love it when a game runs perfectly, or our benchmarks show how much effort we have put in. Or so you can gain every split second you can in a game... Making it smooth, fast and viewable whilst aiming!
I would love a 680, but considering what I've just said, right now I'd be happier with a £700 system and £1500 in my back pocket.
I guarantee even spending £400 on the 680 and £400 on an i5 2550, p8p67, 8gb ddr3 1600mhz etc... Would slaughter my rig in performance in games right now at more than half the cost!
It's a shame I love maximum performance so much! Cause I would have so much more money to play with hahaha!
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The FPS counter in fraps shows the average fps over the last few ms, the fps counter itself isn't different between games like you suggest, 60fps in gta 3 and 60fps in crysis 2 both mean that the image is being updated 60 times per second. You're right that some games look smoother at lower FPS, GTA IV is an excellent example of this and appears very smooth at low fps, this is mostly due to blur and other tricks that the games use. My primary reason for buying the 680 wasn't for a performance increase but for 3d, and as 3d halfs your fps it's definitely worth getting a higher powered card for it as games which previously ran at 40fps will only run at 20fps with 3d which is unplayable in most games. It's also worth it for future games where you will definetly begin to see the newer cards running them smoothly while some of the older cards struggle. Other than that it seems worth it to me, I've spent about £1300 (inc monitor, keyboard etc) on this rig and if I spent that kind of money buying a pc from a store I would (just checked this) get a pc with a gtx 550 >_>.
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Mine cost so much due to the fact I bought everything as and when, not all at once! I got the i7 2600k, motherboard, case, ram and PSU all at once, when they first came out! Bad idea! My graphics card alone was £470 when I first got it... Monitor was £430... so, you can see, £900 of my budget was on visuals hahaha!

Anyway, yeah I totally agree with you, completely worth it for 3D. I just get fed up of FPS counters etc... spend more time looking at them than I do playing the game!
    
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