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Poll Results: Which is the best cheap AM3+ mobo currently around?

 
  • 5% (2)
    AsRock 970 Extreme4
  • 22% (8)
    ASUS M5A97 EVO
  • 57% (20)
    Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
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post #11 of 24
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So, a 970 would be fine for someone like me, who never used Xfire? All my boards the past five years have had Xfire support but I've actually never even tried it. The one and only time I've tried SLI was with two 7600GT's on an nForce 4 chipset and wasn't impressed.

Well, they were the cards which more probably that not didn't worth to SLI, not the SLI in itself (or the CrossFireX). IMO, of course.
While, if you are a gamer-on-a-budget, SLI may be really worthwhile.

Not to mention CUDA or GPGPU (which, to be fair, don't require a SLI/CFX bridge, just the multiple x16 slots with enough lanes).

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Reason why I ask is because I'm thinking of replacing my motherboard and CPU with something newer, without spending loads. Also my offspring's PC is really frustrating me as her new motherboard (new Gigabyte G41) has problems with USB drives and crashes from time to time.

If you're looking for something cost-effective and somewhat future-proof (or a tad more future proof than AM3+), maybe you should wait a couple of weeks for an Ivy Bridge platform. IMHO.

I would add that at least here in Italy, 990X and 970 platform cost almost the same, so the 970 doesn't worth at all: the GB 990XA and the ASUS M5A99X are priced a mere 5-7 bucks more than their 970 cousins.
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I'm going to leave these here..What you do with it is up to you:
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http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CROSSHAIRIV-FORM-BO-R&cat=MBB
 
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post #13 of 24
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Thanks for your thought: unfortunately shipping is at least 40 USD, not to mention customs, nullifying any advantage (over street price and currency exchange).

However, that Crosshair IV looks really cute.
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So, a 970 would be fine for someone like me, who never used Xfire? All my boards the past five years have had Xfire support but I've actually never even tried it. The one and only time I've tried SLI was with two 7600GT's on an nForce 4 chipset and wasn't impressed.
Reason why I ask is because I'm thinking of replacing my motherboard and CPU with something newer, without spending loads. Also my offspring's PC is really frustrating me as her new motherboard (new Gigabyte G41) has problems with USB drives and crashes from time to time.

To be honest, unless you are benching for points or going multiple gpus, the 990 boards are overkill,with an average of $30 more over the 970. I just grabbed a M5A97 and 960t combo for $120 at MicroCenter. I now have a 4.0GHz X6 CPU,8GB of 1600MHz DDR3 RAM and solid gaming board for under $160 bucks before tax. Unbelievable!
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Well, they were the cards which more probably that not didn't worth to SLI, not the SLI in itself (or the CrossFireX). IMO, of course.
While, if you are a gamer-on-a-budget, SLI may be really worthwhile.

Not to mention CUDA or GPGPU (which, to be fair, don't require a SLI/CFX bridge, just the multiple x16 slots with enough lanes).




If you're looking for something cost-effective and somewhat future-proof (or a tad more future proof than AM3+), maybe you should wait a couple of weeks for an Ivy Bridge platform. IMHO.

I would add that at least here in Italy, 990X and 970 platform cost almost the same, so the 970 doesn't worth at all: the GB 990XA and the ASUS M5A99X are priced a mere 5-7 bucks more than their 970 cousins.

Intel is not an option as their CPU's and motherboards are quite a bit more expensive, money I'd rather invest in more RAM.

I was looking at the difference and you're right, it's not much. I was going to see if I can order a motherboard this weekend, when I return the G41. If they will only RMA or replace it I will wait another few months and see what happens by the end of the year. I'm not in a huge hurry.

What is important to me is core count and RAM, single thread performance isn't that important.
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To be honest, unless you are benching for points or going multiple gpus, the 990 boards are overkill,with an average of $30 more over the 970. I just grabbed a M5A97 and 960t combo for $120 at MicroCenter. I now have a 4.0GHz X6 CPU,8GB of 1600MHz DDR3 RAM and solid gaming board for under $160 bucks before tax. Unbelievable!

I stopped caring about benchmarks years ago. Now I only care about price/performance and AMD still hold the crown, which is why I'm not looking at Intel.
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post #16 of 24
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Now I only care about price/performance and AMD still hold the crown, which is why I'm not looking at Intel.

I respectfully but firmly disagree: it's not true at all that price-performance wise AMD retains the crown, and it should also depend at which sweet spot you're looking at (not to mention how much time lower end AM3 CPUs supply will last, with reference to FM1 line-up).

Just for example, you might give a look to this comparison between two about 85 USD chips: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/202?vs=404
A not so much different scenario is the about 125 USD mark: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=289
Obviously it's not the whole story but they can give some clues.

The only reasons I see for choosing AMD nowadays - I mean for a brand new rig - is overclocking, or some very specific task as video encoding, as an Intel overclockable CPU (the so called -K series) starts from an high price, while in video encoding cores counting still does matter (at least a tad, with reference to single-thread efficiency).

Due to the notorious FX design problems, the AM3+ platform is a not-so-smart choice in the next two years, IMO.
post #17 of 24
After looking into the i3 2100 I respectfully but totally disagree with you. The 955 has four cores and certain technologies that make it far more attractive than the i3. To get what I'm looking at I'd have to buy a much more expensive Intel CPU, making AMD my preferred choice. If 2500K's were so expensive I'd look into them but they're 1.5x the price of a 1090 and more than double the price of a 960T and they certainly don't offer double the performance in gaming or things that actually matter to me.

Then there's the motherboard and at the price of the 990XA Intel doesn't have anything to offer. The money I save I would rather spend on more RAM. In fact I can buy a 990XA UD3 and 960T for the price of a 2500K (or 8150) alone.

As for AM3+, Piledriver will also use this socket.
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After looking into the i3 2100 I respectfully but totally disagree with you. The 955 has four cores and certain technologies that make it far more attractive than the i3.

Maybe you should point out which are those technologies and needs, 'cause without doing so these assumptions look like somewhat groundless.

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To get what I'm looking

And this is the point: we could better judge your states if you could clarify what you're looking for, because from common benchmarks a price/performance advantage by AMD does not seem apparent at all.

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Then there's the motherboard and at the price of the 990XA Intel doesn't have anything to offer.

As far as I know it's not true that Intel has nothing to offer: using NewEgg references, the 110USD AsRock Extreme4 may have its Intel counterparts in the AsRock Z68 Extreme3, or Z68Pro3 (105 to 122USD and it comes even in mATX flavour, which can be handy)
The 120USD Gigabyte 990XA may have its Intel counterpart in the Gigabyte Z68 D3H or UD3 (115 to 135USD).

You may obviously rather any AMD platform you may like, but it's not true that AMD has a unique competitive advantage due to the mobo offerings (or lack of).

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As for AM3+, Piledriver will also use this socket.

I think it doesn't matter.
Piledriver is far to come, completely untested and besides many sources guess it won't be able to improve performance significantly due to the inehent FX design flaws.
Ivy Bridge (1155 flavour) will be out next two weeks, with dual cores coming in late may or june, and it's previewed to improve current Intel performance advantage noticeably, some current mobos will accept them, while series-7 mobo shouldn't be so expensive, as their series-6 sisters (for what quoted above) actually aren't.

Again, you may have your own preference, and you'll buy your 990XA (as I will buy an AMD board at any rate), but there are also some facts: generally speaking AMD doesn't seem to offer more performance per dollar than Intel, and it doesn't offer a path to improve this scenario.
And, IMO, these are sad facts for all of us.
Edited by marc1 - 3/30/12 at 4:05am
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While I agree with you I need to research this more, however AMD boards are better than Intel's at the mid range. Also I intend to fill all memory slots, which means overclocking on Intel will be pretty hard to impossible, whereas I can always increase the multiplier of an AMD CPU. If Intel's K versions weren't so expensive I'd look into them but they're beyond my budget.

I do agree that Piledriver could very well turn out like BD, especially if it's the same architecture and same power usage.
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this post is for months ago but relating to the post number 3 as i have just owned msi 970a-45 and reading this post about the vrm it really depressed me. should i sell is for lower price and buy a asrock 970 extreme 3. the 990s are canceled because theyre not in good prices
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