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Originally Posted by Elohim View Post

you completely missed the point. It was a hypothetical situation using identical fans on both coolers.
In relation, a H100 works better with high Pressure fans, while a genesis will work better with low pressure fans. Matter of fact a Genesis will give you decent results at stock clocks wthout any fan at all, where the H100 will completely collapse.
Therefore a Genesis is the better option if you want a low noise setup with silent fans unless they will release CLC with a fin design more geared towards lower pressure/noise fans, or better yet a 140/280 rad or something like that.
'I guess we will have to wait for the Cooler Master Eisberg for a decent CLC.

you are the one who is missing the point bro

higher pressure doesn't always means higher noise,
and higher rpm doesn't always means high pressure.

for example, a 500rpm fan can be setup to have a:
high cfm - low airflow or
low cfm - high airflow
this can be done by adjusting the angle of attack of the fan blades
while the noise will still be the same on either config because it's still 500rpm
Edited by ghostrider85 - 3/30/12 at 2:13am
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Running i7 990X with H100. Temps on high never above 50, even during summer heat. I was getting those with stock Intel fans. I have an NH-D14, and I had stable temps of c. 30C+/- (10). However, since doing a little fine tuning with the H100, my temps have gone down 20C. How? I used different thermal paste, and dropped my config down to a two fan solution. Deltas... 2100rpm fans on full.
To be honest, it runs more silent than even before, when I had my NH-D14 with tri-fan, and my Powercolor Dual-Fan 6970.

Now, I can't even hear my 7970 running, nor my H100 when playing music.

I'd suggest the H100 if you're willing to continuously make attempts at finding the best working fan solution, and have no problems with cleaning it.

I'd go with the NH-D14 only if you're going to take care of a fan system that has enough passthrough that you're going to be cleaning it bi-weekly.

Food for thought.
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you are the one who is missing the point bro
higher pressure doesn't always means higher noise,
and higher rpm doesn't always means high pressure.
for example, a 500rpm fan can be setup to have a:
high cfm - low airflow or
low cfm - high airflow
this can be done by adjusting the angle of attack of the fan blades
while the noise will still be the same on either config because it's still 500rpm

my god, it's really not that hard to understand.

lets use a Gentle Typhoon (2150rpm) with both coolers.

While at full speed (2150rpm) the H100 will outperform the genesis,
Both coolers with the GTs at 1000rpm: the Genesis will outperform the H100.

the GT @2150 is louder than the GT @1000rpm

Therefore is the Genesis better for lower noise setups.
Edited by Elohim - 3/30/12 at 2:27am
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Running i7 990X with H100. Temps on high never above 50, even during summer heat. I was getting those with stock Intel fans. I have an NH-D14, and I had stable temps of c. 30C+/- (10). However, since doing a little fine tuning with the H100, my temps have gone down 20C. How? I used different thermal paste, and dropped my config down to a two fan solution. Deltas... 2100rpm fans on full.
To be honest, it runs more silent than even before, when I had my NH-D14 with tri-fan, and my Powercolor Dual-Fan 6970.
Now, I can't even hear my 7970 running, nor my H100 when playing music.
I'd suggest the H100 if you're willing to continuously make attempts at finding the best working fan solution, and have no problems with cleaning it.
I'd go with the NH-D14 only if you're going to take care of a fan system that has enough passthrough that you're going to be cleaning it bi-weekly.
Food for thought.

I love how people come up with false statements against another product to try and back up their claim. You only have to clean the D14 as much as you have to clean your H100 radiator. So really there is no difference in terms of having to maintenance it other then you don't have to disassemble the D14 to clean it, with the H100 you do (see what I did there?). Honestly the H100 isn't worth its weight in copper. This thread should be D14 vs Rasa Kit. In which would be the Rasa kit hands down, because in order for the H100 to beat out the D14 and maintain better temps at less noise, its going to cost you more then a Rasa Kit (which is better then them all). Its really simple, if you want cheap with awesome performance that you rarely have to maintain or worry about get the D14. If you want to spend a little extra money and get superb cooling for extreme overclocking get a Rasa Kit. Either way I would steer clear of a H100 as its not worth what it costs off the shelf (who knows maybe some lapping and good compound would drop 20 C but nobody has been able to prove it yet with benchmarks). My conclusion is just get a Rasa Kit they cost about 124 bucks, which isn't much more over a H100.
Edited by Warmonger - 3/30/12 at 2:35am
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my god, it's really not that hard to understand.
lets use a Gentle Typhoon (2150rpm) with both coolers.
While at full speed (2150rpm) the H100 will outperform the genesis,
Both coolers with the GTs at 1000rpm: the Genesis will outperform the H100.
the GT @2150 is louder than the GT @1000rpm
Therefore is the Genesis better for lower noise setups.

why would you use the same fan on both then? the h100 needs a fan that's optimized for high static pressure, not neccessarily high rpm, it can be a 1000rpm fan, but needs to be optimized for high static pressure
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well thats why i used a high pressure fan for my example rolleyes.gif
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Running i7 990X with H100. Temps on high never above 50, even during summer heat. I was getting those with stock Intel fans. I have an NH-D14, and I had stable temps of c. 30C+/- (10). However, since doing a little fine tuning with the H100, my temps have gone down 20C. How? I used different thermal paste, and dropped my config down to a two fan solution. Deltas... 2100rpm fans on full.
To be honest, it runs more silent than even before, when I had my NH-D14 with tri-fan, and my Powercolor Dual-Fan 6970.
Now, I can't even hear my 7970 running, nor my H100 when playing music.
I'd suggest the H100 if you're willing to continuously make attempts at finding the best working fan solution, and have no problems with cleaning it.
I'd go with the NH-D14 only if you're going to take care of a fan system that has enough passthrough that you're going to be cleaning it bi-weekly.
Food for thought.

I love how people come up with false statements against another product to try and back up their claim. You only have to clean the D14 as much as you have to clean your H100 radiator. So really there is no difference in terms of having to maintenance it other then you don't have to disassemble the D14 to clean it, with the H100 you do (see what I did there?). Honestly the H100 isn't worth its weight in copper. This thread should be D14 vs Rasa Kit. In which would be the Rasa kit hands down, because in order for the H100 to beat out the D14 and maintain better temps at less noise, its going to cost you more then a Rasa Kit (which is better then them all). Its really simple, if you want cheap with awesome performance that you rarely have to maintain or worry about get the D14. If you want to spend a little extra money and get superb cooling for extreme overclocking get a Rasa Kit. Either way I would steer clear of a H100 as its not worth what it costs off the shelf.

Don't tell me it's as easy to clean a radiator as it is to clean a grid fan system. In 30 seconds, you can be done from both sides on the H100, even without having to fully remove the hardware.... with the D14, you've got to at least remove the screws to get the head out, and then you've got to uninstall your clips, blow through, and have an extreme amount of tedium to clean it.

The only reason I said it was easier to maintain an H100 is for three reasons:

1. Regardless, you've got a system that you can offset and dither heat with minimal work being done, post-installation. And it wouldn't matter about the Rasa.. you still use aftermarket parts if you're not happy with the outcome of temperatures.
2. Cleaning it is practically idiot free work.
3. The relevance of defects is user based.... (improper installations, overtightening, offset screw placement all effect the back end, and will eventually effect the pump and all the other instruments that make it functional)

So... the final question is.... are you smart enough to use it?

I said I had both... still do... the D14 is in my other system, catering to the needs of my i7 950. Still have the RAM issues with installation. Still have to clean it fin by fin. Still have to uninstall it to clean it.

You'd be an idiot to use an air compressor with high psi to clean it.... plus, you're leaving moisture on it, which can further the futility of cleaning it... moisture is a dust magnet.

You may be educated, but it certainly doesn't sound like you're learned.
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well thats why i used a high pressure fan for my example rolleyes.gif

ok bro, i guess ill agree with you, but still, i love my h100
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Well my H100 just fraked up, so I'm waiting to hear from Corsair about it. It does get very loud on high setting, but I've never used the Noctua... I'll post back as soon as I hear from corsair on how their after sale service is....
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I wanna add that is enough doing the cleaning of your case fans 2-3 times in a month and of the cooler only 1 time (in a month), and I'm only using compressed air spray and some cosmetic brushes.
And the ram clearance ain't an issue. I have these perfect storm and yet the push fan clears them:

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