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Any of you who have this monitor, or have had personal experience with this monitor, please tell me your opinions!

Thinking of getting this monitor in the next week or so:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/24-dell-u2412m-ips-led-monitor-anti-glare-full-hd-dvi-displayport-1920x1200-300cd-m2-10001-8ms-4xusb

What I will be doing:

Gaming
Photo editing/reviewing
Video editing/creation
Programming
PDF conversion/creation
General office work

Assorted Applications I will be using

Photoshop
Lightroom
After effects
Flash
Netbeans

I play all sorts of games, from MMO's to F1 2010/2011, Battlefield, Call of duty, TF2, Skyrim, ME, etc.


That's all for now,

Thanks in advance!
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2410m and PA246Q (both basically the same hardware) are both faster and better picture quality than 2412m, but also more expensive.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2412m.html
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-asus-pa246q.html

Nothing beats the price or size of these, though. Only problem is they're imports:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/reviewed-400-2560x1440-ips-no-ag-90hz-achieva-shimian-qh270-and-catleap-q270

Edit: Since you're doing photo work, I can't suggest the 2412m at all. It doesn't even cover the full sRGB gamut, much less adobeRGB.
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I picked up this monitor not too long ago to replace my ASUS 27" that I had previously. I was a little worried at first due to the response time, I was going from a 2ms G2G to an 8ms response time and I pretty much only use my machine for gaming. I really liked the idea of how adjustible the stand is and wanted a smaller monitor to leave more real estate to possibly do a surround vision setup later. I will tell you that I do not regret my purchase in the slightest. I love this monitor and plan on getting at least one more if not two. I have not tweaked the settings on the monitor and am using it as it comes out of the box but colors are sharp and text is clear. As for accurate color reproduction for photoshop and the like, I really can't give you any input there as I do not use this monitor in that capacity. Anyway, hope this helps you some in your decision!
    
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2410m and PA246Q (both basically the same hardware) are both faster and better picture quality than 2412m, but also more expensive.

"Better picture quality". They're both full 8 bit and can cover more than just sRGB. However, the former is not really an actual benefit in most situations. The latter is a benefit if the end result of your production ends up in a wider gamut than sRGB (Which does not happen often, and almost never in digital media)
They also have a bit better viewing angles compared to e-IPS panels like the u2412m.

Aside from that, they have lower contrast, worse black levels, more aggressive AG coating, higher input lag. Whether you consider one monitor superior over the other is your business, but it's clearly not a definite status.

They definitely aren't any "faster". If you also happen to include input lag in that word (which is such a vague word that you really shouldn't use it because it's used for a million things), they're noticeably worse.

More expensive =/= always better. The u2412m is a fine monitor and fills what buzzin wants quite well. No need to pay twice for what is not always better.
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Edit: Since you're doing photo work, I can't suggest the 2412m at all. It doesn't even cover the full sRGB gamut, much less adobeRGB.

As said before, you only need wider gamuts for work with something that ends up outside the sRGB color space. Practically everything digital is sRGB. Therefore, the vast majority of enthusiast / non professional photo editors will not end up needing wider gamuts if they're concerned with the final output.

The limit of the u2412m's gamut would be more relevant if a calibrator was used. From a few reviews, the u2410 and PA246Q tend to not match the sRGB space as closely as the u2412m on factory calibration. Until you go ahead and calibrate, you're going to be off the mark by a bit anyway.
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"Better picture quality". They're both full 8 bit and can cover more than just sRGB. However, the former is not really an actual benefit in most situations. The latter is a benefit if the end result of your production ends up in a wider gamut than sRGB (Which does not happen often, and almost never in digital media)
At least according to this tftcentral review the U2412M is a 6-bit panel, not an 8-bit panel. Good review by the way, worth reading IMO. smile.gif
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"Better picture quality". They're both full 8 bit and can cover more than just sRGB. However, the former is not really an actual benefit in most situations. The latter is a benefit if the end result of your production ends up in a wider gamut than sRGB (Which does not happen often, and almost never in digital media)
At least according to this tftcentral review the U2412M is a 6-bit panel, not an 8-bit panel. Good review by the way, worth reading IMO. smile.gif

When I said "both" I was referring to the U2410 and PA246Q, compared to the u2412m.
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Ah, my bad then, misunderstood what you meant smile.gif
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I love the screen, 1920x1200 (16:10) is pretty rare these days, and it's great for documents/web pages. I noticed you'll be coming from a 1680x1050 panel, and that you play Battlefield (I assume 3), so don't forget to take into consideration a big FPS drop.
I would say the contrast ratio is a pretty big plus, with the brightness dialled down to a comfortable ~25%, the blacks are deep and remind me of the amazingly rich purples my old (sadly broken) PVA panel (same dimensions) could display (though nothing like an OLED).

Stand is great, USB ports are nice to have, the display and frame are matt (glossy boarders are unpleasant with a light behind you), the power LED is a nice dim blue so as not to irritate and power draw/heat is low.

Connections are limited with only DVI, DP and VGA, and its worth noting that if you try to input a 1080p source, it will stretch over the whole screen, distorting the aspect ratio. I was interested to try using a console with it and picked up an active HDMI to VGA /3.5mm audio adaptor for 30 euros, but the vertical stretching makes this unpleasant, and would suggest looking at the U2311 for that.

Viewing angles are great APART from blacks, which will appear to turn white/lighter at off-centre viewing, or all the corners, when viewed too close, from the middle. This "IPS glow" is kinda cute once your used to it though tongue.gif

Coming from a temporary 85hz CRT, you certainly notice the 60hz limit and the blurriness you get when things move, but I got used to it again pretty quick, I can't say that i feel any greater input lag though.

Great all-round monitor, recommended!
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Originally Posted by Dalamar View Post

2410m and PA246Q (both basically the same hardware) are both faster and better picture quality than 2412m, but also more expensive.

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2412m.html
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-asus-pa246q.html

Nothing beats the price or size of these, though. Only problem is they're imports:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/reviewed-400-2560x1440-ips-no-ag-90hz-achieva-shimian-qh270-and-catleap-q270

Edit: Since you're doing photo work, I can't suggest the 2412m at all. It doesn't even cover the full sRGB gamut, much less adobeRGB.

I was actually looking at the Achieva monitors, They're also here:http://www.scan.co.uk/products/27-hazro-hz27wc-led-ips-pro-glass-version-8bit-dvi-2560x1440-420cd-m2-10001-6ms-speakers-pc-mac?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=google+shopping

But the price difference is just too much for what my budget is, even £250 is pushing it for me.

Thanks though, +Rep!
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I picked up this monitor not too long ago to replace my ASUS 27" that I had previously. I was a little worried at first due to the response time, I was going from a 2ms G2G to an 8ms response time and I pretty much only use my machine for gaming. I really liked the idea of how adjustible the stand is and wanted a smaller monitor to leave more real estate to possibly do a surround vision setup later. I will tell you that I do not regret my purchase in the slightest. I love this monitor and plan on getting at least one more if not two. I have not tweaked the settings on the monitor and am using it as it comes out of the box but colors are sharp and text is clear. As for accurate color reproduction for photoshop and the like, I really can't give you any input there as I do not use this monitor in that capacity. Anyway, hope this helps you some in your decision!

Thank you for your feedback! +Rep
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"Better picture quality". They're both full 8 bit and can cover more than just sRGB. However, the former is not really an actual benefit in most situations. The latter is a benefit if the end result of your production ends up in a wider gamut than sRGB (Which does not happen often, and almost never in digital media)
They also have a bit better viewing angles compared to e-IPS panels like the u2412m.

Aside from that, they have lower contrast, worse black levels, more aggressive AG coating, higher input lag. Whether you consider one monitor superior over the other is your business, but it's clearly not a definite status.

They definitely aren't any "faster". If you also happen to include input lag in that word (which is such a vague word that you really shouldn't use it because it's used for a million things), they're noticeably worse.

More expensive =/= always better. The u2412m is a fine monitor and fills what buzzin wants quite well. No need to pay twice for what is not always better.

As said before, you only need wider gamuts for work with something that ends up outside the sRGB color space. Practically everything digital is sRGB. Therefore, the vast majority of enthusiast / non professional photo editors will not end up needing wider gamuts if they're concerned with the final output.

The limit of the u2412m's gamut would be more relevant if a calibrator was used. From a few reviews, the u2410 and PA246Q tend to not match the sRGB space as closely as the u2412m on factory calibration. Until you go ahead and calibrate, you're going to be off the mark by a bit anyway.

Thank you, Very much for this! I'm not big in the photography just yet, I was thinking of getting the U2412 as a starting point, I mean... Anything will be better than the cruddy 19" 1440x900 panel I am using currently. The workspace is more of a plus than color space/wider gamut for the moment. smile.gif

Though with my budget being a little strict at the moment, is why I chose the U2412M as a base for asking for peoples opinions.
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I love the screen, 1920x1200 (16:10) is pretty rare these days, and it's great for documents/web pages. I noticed you'll be coming from a 1680x1050 panel, and that you play Battlefield (I assume 3), so don't forget to take into consideration a big FPS drop.
I would say the contrast ratio is a pretty big plus, with the brightness dialled down to a comfortable ~25%, the blacks are deep and remind me of the amazingly rich purples my old (sadly broken) PVA panel (same dimensions) could display (though nothing like an OLED).

Stand is great, USB ports are nice to have, the display and frame are matt (glossy boarders are unpleasant with a light behind you), the power LED is a nice dim blue so as not to irritate and power draw/heat is low.

Connections are limited with only DVI, DP and VGA, and its worth noting that if you try to input a 1080p source, it will stretch over the whole screen, distorting the aspect ratio. I was interested to try using a console with it and picked up an active HDMI to VGA /3.5mm audio adaptor for 30 euros, but the vertical stretching makes this unpleasant, and would suggest looking at the U2311 for that.

Viewing angles are great APART from blacks, which will appear to turn white/lighter at off-centre viewing, or all the corners, when viewed too close, from the middle. This "IPS glow" is kinda cute once your used to it though tongue.gif

Coming from a temporary 85hz CRT, you certainly notice the 60hz limit and the blurriness you get when things move, but I got used to it again pretty quick, I can't say that i feel any greater input lag though.

Great all-round monitor, recommended!

I should of mentioned/edited my sig rig. I gave my 1680x1050 panel away to a friend, I've been using a 19" 1440x900 monitor ever since (couple of months now, maybe more)

I'm prepared for the mega FPS drop in most games tongue.gif Especially battlefield. Getting this monitor may be the catalyst for me upgrading my GPU to the 6xx series later on.

I'm not planning on using any other device for input other than my computers for the monitor, I used to own a console but sold that a while ago.

DVI, DP and VGA will be more than sufficient for my usage, thanks for letting me know!

I'm already used to the horrible backlight bleed I get from this panel I'm using now, I'm sure the Dell will be an improvement ^_^ I'm also used to the 60hz refresh. tongue.gif

Thanks a lot for your contribution. +Rep!
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I've really enjoyed my monitor. From a value perspective, this monitor takes the cake for me. It's well built, stand is solid, panel has height adjustment and can rotate, etc. I was able to get mine direct from Dell for $300+tax.

Performance wise, I don't really do any photo editing, but I do some light gaming and basic productivity work. The gaming so far has been great (the colors especially have a good pop compared to my old TFT monitor). And the monitor seems easier on my eyes when it comes to web browsing, email, etc.

Hope this is useful for you.
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