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If that's what it takes for F-22 to be combat ready, imagine our yet ready F-35. China is catching up pretty fast.
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post #152 of 177
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If that's what it takes for F-22 to be combat ready, imagine our yet ready F-35. China is catching up pretty fast.

The F-35 has been designed from the beginning as a multirole fighter. It won't need any upgrades to perform the strike missions envisioned for it. The F-22 on the other hand was designed as an air superiority fighter, and only recent budget constraints have led the Air Force, at the insistence of Congress, to upgrade the F-22 with more robust ground attack capabilities.
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Without the U.S the allies wouldn't have been able to understand the encrypted code coming from Enigma machines in submarines.

UK actually decrypted the Enigma, not US.
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The F-35 has been designed from the beginning as a multirole fighter. It won't need any upgrades to perform the strike missions envisioned for it. The F-22 on the other hand was designed as an air superiority fighter, and only recent budget constraints have led the Air Force, at the insistence of Congress, to upgrade the F-22 with more robust ground attack capabilities.

To be honest I am not found of this multirole design. Part of the reason why F-35 suffered constant delay and cost overrun is because they need to keep everyone happy with a common airframe.
Edited by trumpet-205 - 3/28/12 at 11:07pm
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post #154 of 177
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Dude, WWII was a HUGE win-fest for the US, it is the only nation that actually benefited from the war. America had the most powerful and most technologically advanced army navy and airforce after the war and everyone else was deeply indebted to the united states and most of their infrastructure was destroyed, The Marshall Plan addressed that directly to prevent famine and other discontent, also to combat communism. and top that off, the war helped america get out of the Depression.

it might not be a 100% US victory but it sure as hell was a 90% US victory, without the aid given by the US, Britain probably would have fallen in a Operation Sea lion and Hitler would have been free to invade Russia with the FULL force of the wehrmacht as he intended. Russia would stand no chance. without the US, we all would speak german. UK, Canadian, Australian, Free-French were all supported by US supplies, especially the "Free-French" and "Free Polish" armies, they were basically a few divisions of armor and infantry. If a combined Bristish and French army that outnumbered the german army couldnt win in 1940, they sure wasn't going to win in 1944.

also the Japanese never fought the Russians until one month before the end of the war, The japanese army in China acted as an occupation army, japanese held territory never changed much in china unitl 1945, when they actually gained some. and the japanese became even more fanatical as they were losing the war(suicide attacks, especially Kamikazes, and Operation Ten-Go)

in the Korean war, the US did suffer tremondous casuallties because of the PVA attack, but after the initial shock wore off, the "coalition" took back land up to the 38th parallel, and then some(remember, the 38th parallel was the actual border back then, not the DMZ of now). Macarthur did mess up there.

The A-bomb saved Japanese AND American Lives, read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties, It was WAAAAAAAAYYYY better to have dropped the bombs than to fight a conventional war.

Read and analyze history, please

The Axis lost because they couldn't replace losses as efficiently as the Allies, they axis may be advanced but they never had numbers. it's like using a rocket launcher to kill the entire Arachnid/Tyranid/Zerg forces, you win one on one, but not one vs 100 or 1000.

Back to the F-22 and F-35, sure they're advanced, but they're inefficient for the current tactical situation. if they actually are used as intended(ie war with russia and china) they would excel, but if one side wins too much the other side will use nuclear weapons, and then it really doesn't matter anymore. so IMO:waste, we should focus more on the F-15 and F-16, you know, the proven stuff.

We're using the same tactic to defeat the USSR at the end of the cold war on ourselves, spend them to death, except no one else is seriously playing, like play russian roulette with yourself
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post #155 of 177
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To be honest I am not found of this multirole design. Part of the reason why F-35 suffered constant delay and cost overrun is because they need to keep everyone happy with a common airframe.

The term multirole refers to it's combat capabilities, as in it can serve both as an air superiority and ground attack fighter. For example, the F-16 and the F-18 are also both multirole aircraft. You're referring to the fact that three versions are being developed simultaneous for the Air Force, Navy, and Marines/British Navy, which yes, has complicated the development process and led to massive delays and increase in cost.
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Is it worth it? I mean come on, how often do fighter jets get into an air-to-air combat with the enemy or even get shot down. Today's wars are not fought in the air...we don't even have conventional warfare. Guerrilla warfare seems to be more effective for the enemy.

when waging all out war, air dominance is key.


the F22 is designed to combine talents of a few now obsolete aircraft. If the cold war was still on, we would have the f 35 aswell.

military technology advances arent a bad thing. That radar cotrolled cruise control was because of expensive military spending.

dollar for dollar with the current financial climate and the fact that your country and ours is till engaged in wartime activity, this aircraft was built on the cheap.
    
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Are you serious?
You think that only human troops on ground are the only aspect on the contribution of the war?
U.S by far had the best contribution in the naval aspect of the war,throughout europe and asia,U.S also provided resoureces to the british army and to the resistance in france and other countries.
If it wasn't for the U.S,the british would be doomed,since they wouldn't have been able to maintain the royal airforce.Without the U.S the French resistance would also be doomed.Without the U.S the allies wouldn't have been able to understand the encrypted code coming from Enigma machines in submarines.
Without the U.S , the germans would have amassed all the normandy forces to the north to combat them,plus a probable japanese ground troops in germany.Rusia would have been in trouble.
Without the winter Russia would have been conquered by the germans.
Stop making false statements.U.S played a key role in the war and in the reconstruction of europe.

you sire are showing a great deal of patriotism and false sense of superiority which is not bad n all(we all have it) but better keep it to urself and even better in your mind if ya don't mind rolleyes.gif
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Is it worth it? I mean come on, how often do fighter jets get into an air-to-air combat with the enemy or even get shot down. Today's wars are not fought in the air...we don't even have conventional warfare. Guerrilla warfare seems to be more effective for the enemy.

We actually bomb the **** out of places, before we attempt to mow over them with ground forces. (I know I spent a year in Iraq) It's key to bomb the enemy and weaken them, put the fear of air attacks before walking in.
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So 20 years and $65 billion later they came up with what is basically a F22 - Raptor crossed with a B-2 Spirit.

And they wonder why they are in $15 trillion debt.

This is just epic fail.
    
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Why?
That's how life works. That's how every venture works. That's how businesses work too. Why would Intel kill their R&D teams to release a chip that's 10 times faster than the previous generation when the customers will be ecstatic with a chip that's 2x faster? It makes poor business sense to doom yourself to poor long-term development when you out-did yourself (and everyone else for that matter) with a single revision.
When you're in first place, you only have to be better than the rest. Any extra harder you work just makes it that much ore difficult for you to make improvements on your own work.

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