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post #41 of 51
Reading the Actual Nvidia Edgar financial statement tells a different picture. Sometimes you have to look for yourself....

In summary the agreement was for Nvidia to provide chips to Microsoft for a game console...Xbox we would presume. Microsoft pre paid $200 Million towards this future purchase of chips. Now here's the kicker. If I read it right, Nvidia would only be liable to give Microsoft a 30% premium for stock purchases on THE BALANCE i.e. "Remainder" of the unfulfilled order for chips. The question being how much of a balance is actually left as the Xbox seemed to sell pretty well. It does say MS can cancel the agreement at any time. So if that balance is small, it's no big deal. Others that are more savvy legal wise can confirm if this seems right.

Quote:
2009: Nvidia 10-K

11) Subsequent Events

On March 5, 2000, the Company entered into an agreement with Microsoft in
which the Company agreed to develop and sell graphics chips and to license
certain technology to Microsoft and its licensees for use in a product under
development by Microsoft. The agreement provides that in April 2000, Microsoft
will pay the Company $200 million as an advance against graphics chip
purchases and for licensing the Company's technology. Microsoft may terminate
the agreement at any time and if termination occurs prior to offset in full of
the advance payments, the Company would be required to return to Microsoft up
to $100 million of the prepayment and to convert the remainder into preferred
stock of the Company at a 30% premium to the 30-day average trading price of
the common stock. The graphics chip and the game console contemplated by the
agreement is highly complex and development and release of the Microsoft
product and its commercial success are dependent upon a number of factors,
many of which the Company cannot control. There can be no assurance that the
Company will be successful in developing the graphics chip for use by
Microsoft or that the product will be developed or released, or if released,
will be commercially successful.
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post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

There are no "enemies" in business. wink.gif
There are partners... and possible partners.
Chip fabrication is not easy... not even close.
If they were even close to incompetent, they would have been out of business the day they began.

haha, if Chip production were so easy you wouldn't see AMD spending several hundred million dollars to rid themselves of Global Foundries just to stop the bleeding. I'm not connected in any way to people making chips but just reading reports on it it sounds like a hugely complicated mess. Can you imagine having to rebuild your entire factory producing Refrigerators every two years because the technology changed? This a hugely expensive hugely complicated endeavor, it's amazing to me these companies make any money at all.
    
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post #43 of 51
Since Nvidia make servers (Tesla anyone?) and Nvidia is heavily involved with the ARM processors (Project Denver anyone?) and Intel is involved in all these fields, they are very much enemies.

ARM processors will battle Atom processors from Intel, Tesla battle Xenon servers etc etc. HP even have servers that is made of ARM processors (Project moonshot)

I don`t really think Intel would be quite happy in helping Nvidia with production if they don`t get something in return, except money..
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by Cloudfire777 View Post

Since Nvidia make servers (Tesla anyone?) and Nvidia is heavily involved with the ARM processors (Project Denver anyone?) and Intel is involved in all these fields, they are very much enemies.
ARM processors will battle Atom processors from Intel, Tesla battle Xenon servers etc etc. HP even have servers that is made of ARM processors (Project moonshot)
I don`t really think Intel would be quite happy in helping Nvidia with production if they don`t get something in return, except money..

agreed. i do see Intel attends to go into the mobile precesor aswell...
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Arimis5226 View Post

Thanks to anyone taking the time to read all of this. Feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree.
If there wasn't AMD, imagine the backlash on Intel's$1000 price tag for the highest end die.
post #46 of 51
so basicly soon!nvidia would possible sell to microsoft and microsoft would make gpu for intel at intel plant?that make sense?cheers.gif
post #47 of 51
A merger between Intel and Invidia? Like AMD and ATI thumb.gif
It always seemed like a great idea to me.
post #48 of 51
In a nutshell Apple made more cash than anyone ever in 2011...so obviously companies want to re position themselves to get some of this Fad money. I wouldn't be surprised if companies restructured / combined etc to better compete and or provide services to Apple.

An Intel that can provide world class Video and CPU's is much more attractive than a one trick pony. AMD may have a leg up in some future where Apple may source and require both technology stacks. And if HD 4000 graphics don't cut it, NVidia may be an attractive partner to Intel.
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post #49 of 51
But the aim for Intel is to render the graphics card as superfluous isn't it ?
Once they up-scale their product to add next generation HD video display technology within the CPU then who would need a graphics card ?
As for spending, Intel could buy Nvidia from petty cash....
The only positive for Intel might be to keep a fab busy doing work for Nvidia during an economic downturn.
Give it three years and Nvidia could be left with Tesla ?

dunx

P.S. The US government like to see some competition in the market place...
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post #50 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

The multi million lawsuit that intel settled, and then had to pay to nvidia last year is pretty much proof that they are not friends.
Yes, they are enemies.

Holy shiz, really? I was completely unaware of that. Why did intel have to pay nvidia? What was the lawsuit?
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