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Well, yes, inside a nuclear reactor there are lethal amounts of radiation, that's what the shielding is for. What I want to know is how this effects the surrounding areas and what their radiation dose is/was
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I'm gonna weigh In here. I know its different radiation but I worked with radars in the military(radars used to track rounds fired from artilery) and in 2002 unbeknownst to us, for 24 hours our radar was turned on and radiating. It's a different radiation but according to one of the lead Endocrinologists for the va believes that's why I have low testosterone and am sterile. When I joined the army, during our radar school they kept talking about how "safe" it was, when our chief notified higher ups about the radar incident, we had a crap load of testing, were removed from our unit for 2 weeks and had to sign waivers(which we were threatened with article 15's if we refused to sign, I'm fighting those waivers now). Point is no one knows the real longterm effects of radiation.

the effects of radiation exposure, both short and long term are well know. the major worry of course being cancer. any amount of radiation is going to be bad for you but as long as its kept to a near background radiation level, you will have no noticeable effects. i cant say for sure what sort of exposure or how much you got from the radar since i deal primarily with nuclear, but i cant imagine it would be very good. keep fighting the good fight.
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They are not too young and uninformed. You are not willing to budge so they are going to so the same. Wind and solar are nice ideas but the ammount of land that would have to be used to produce the ammount of energy a nuclear plant can produce is rediculous. Let alone not reliable. Nuclear power is just too efficient to compare at the moment. One day it might catch up, but why do that when you can just do geothermal. California produces around 90% of the nations geothermal energy. Other than that until fusion is a containable source of continuous energy were stuck.
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Wind and solar by themselves won't be enough, but if each house had a few wind turbines and solar panels on its roof we could help reduce the need for power plants. At the same time, I also believe almost all power plants should be Gen IV nuclear or better.
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Waste is definately a downside. France refines the waste and reuses a lot of the waste. Why we dont do that..... its a dirty process but i dont know why we dont. If france can do it no reason we cant.

The US does not reprocess because of an old Cold War policy put in place because someone figured that it might be easier for a bad guy to get their hands on nuclear material. It was more of a reaction due to fear, than rational thought.

The US simply needs to redact the ban.

Also, wind turbines are the least efficient per square foot of all nearly all power generators.
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I don't even know why I bother trying to have meaningful discussions on this forum anymore. Our user base is too young and uninformed, most are incapable of critical thinking and need things spelled out for them. And the only intelligent users left, which there are many, have likely already caught on to this fact, and is probably why you rarely see them participating in discussions of this sort. Instead of thinking how to make new solutions work, the basic ideas are shut down immediately with little to zero informed and critical thought taking place whatsoever. And yes, I have an answer for the previous post, but it's an answer that the user who posted could figure out on his/her own with a tiny bit of mental energy. So I'll not spell it out this time.

yes because you are such an expert on the subject rolleyes.gif

How many nuclear power plants have you worked at? I bet it is less than I have and i also have a good understanding of the other power sources out there/how they work/how practical they are. Yes lets replace everything with wind mills this sounds like a great idea .....get off your damn high horse
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the problem with nuclear is that trying to keep all the facilities up to date and safe costs way to much, might as well invest in something safer.

period.

i mean just take a look at all the other failing infrastructure here in the US, you honestly think we can keep all of our nuclear facilities safe and modernized? bahhaahha
Edited by EM2J - 4/2/12 at 10:11am
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The US does not reprocess because of an old Cold War policy put in place because someone figured that it might be easier for a bad guy to get their hands on nuclear material. It was more of a reaction due to fear, than rational thought.
The US simply needs to redact the ban.

Or just move to something like Thorium which we can do whatever we'd like with because it doesn't really have the potential to be used in nuclear weapons.
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the problem with nuclear is that trying to keep all the facilities up to date and safe costs way to much, might as well invest in something safer.
period.
i mean just take a look at all the other failing infrastructure here in the US, you honestly think we can keep all of our nuclear facilities safe and modernized? bahhaahha

Newer generation nuclear is MUCH safer. And the expense of using nuclear is likely outweighed by its efficiency.
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the problem with nuclear is that trying to keep all the facilities up to date and safe costs way to much, might as well invest in something safer.
period.
i mean just take a look at all the other failing infrastructure here in the US, you honestly think we can keep all of our nuclear facilities safe and modernized? bahhaahha

If you look at the expense of keeping refineries and oil rigs up to standards, you'd realize that nuclear is not that expensive.

It's actually very cheap per kilowatt.
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If you look at the expense of keeping refineries and oil rigs up to standards, you'd realize that nuclear is not that expensive.
It's actually very cheap per kilowatt.

Real life contradicts you though doesn't it. What with all the old and obsolete nuclear reactors all around the world. If it was so cheap why haven't they all upgraded to modern to avoid situations like fukujima? I wonder how many fukujima's there are around the world just waiting to happen because the plants are old and decrepit.


Once again I'll repeat myself here. I wouldn't mind nuclear if the problems of plant safety were addressed. There needs to be a 100% safety guarantee at nuclear plants because the consequences of failure are too high. Fukujima and chernobyl will never be safe to inhabit by humans again.

And the true cost of handling nuclear waste needs to be included in the production cost of the electricity. This is the real deal breaker since I bet if they include the cost of storing every cubic centimeter of nuclear waste produced forever I doubt if nuclear power is competitive with anything else. ...And... looking up how much waste is produced each year it's freaking tons and tons of the stuff. Yeah I guarantee you they arn't including the costs of storing that safely for millions of years in the price of nuclear energy.

So yeah. If the industry addresses those two points I'll be fine with nuclear. Until then though nuclear won't be happening where I live.
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