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I believe nuclear power was a mistake, but that's just me, and this is only ONE case that proves the real dangers in this technology, but don't color me skeptical or cynical, I'm just being realistic here...

???

Real dangers? You mean the handful of incidents that happened since the nuclear age began?? cell phones, logging, coal, steel working, chemical factories, cars, almost about anything you can think of is more dangerous or has killed more people than nuclear power plants. Prove me wrong I dare you.

I bet the iphone has killed more people than nuclear power.

Nuclear power is historically extremely safe, it's hippie, extremist, uninformed individuals who spew incorrect and biased information to other impressionable people in this country.
Edited by strap624 - 3/28/12 at 2:45pm
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???
Real dangers? You mean the handful of incidents that happened since the nuclear age began?? cell phones, logging, coal, steel working, chemical factories, cars, almost about anything you can think of is more dangerous or has killed more people than nuclear power plants. Prove me wrong I dare you.
I bet the iphone has killed more people than nuclear power.

That's not a truly fair comparison.
Its hard to differentiate deaths from cancer to deaths caused decades later due to cancer from radiation exposure.

No one is guaranteed to live to be a 100 so I don't know why people complain when they are still breathing here and now.
That's all the more you can hope for.
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Other alternatives either don't produce enough power, or consume too many natural resources and/or damage the environment through other ways like pollution. Uranium-based nuclear reactors may not be a good decision given today's technology, we should probably be moving toward thorium-based reactors, which cannot meltdown (neither can certain uranium-based solutions), and produce very little waste comparatively.
If Japan's reactor had been using a newer and safer solution there would have been 0% chance of meltdown, and very little radiation leakage.

currently working in nuclear power, and having many friends that i work with that went to japan to assist after this happened, i can tell you the way we have current reactors set up is quite safe. Eventually there is going to be some freak accident, as with all things, and it will cause some issues though all the crap you read in the news is made to sound much worse than it really is. You are right though lordikon, current tech using thorium would be much safer and cleaner and there are plans coming from Westinghouse and GE to start moving this way in the near future.
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Not sure where you heard that, but that's inaccurate. The plant was pretty much directly hit by the tsunami.
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The earthquake was followed by a 13–15 m (43–49 ft) maximum height tsunami arriving approximately 50 minutes later which topped the plant's 5.7 m (19 ft) seawall,[71][72][73] flooding the basement of the Turbine Buildings and disabling the emergency diesel generators[74][75] located there[70] at approximately 15:41.[68][76] At this point, TEPCO notified authorities, as required by law, of a "First level emergency".
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NISA ordered TEPCO to send the manuals without any redaction, as the law orders. 200 pages were released from the accident procedural manuals used for Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. All their contents were published, only the names of individuals were left out.
From these documents could be concluded:
TEPCO did not make sufficient preparations to cope with critical nuclear accidents.
After the batteries and power supply boards were inundated on 11 March, almost all electricity sources were lost
TEPCO did not envision such a power failure or any kind of prolonged power loss.
TEPCO thought that in a serious incident, venting pressure in the reactor containment vessels or carrying out other safety procedures would still be possible, because emergency power sources would still be available.
Very good reading for those interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

Read it somewhere a year ago. Think it might have been the BBC website.
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Fish getting up river isn't so much the problem but in small estuaries that are dammed there are usually lots of wetlands that are submerged.
Oxygen concentrations also drop behind dams which affects wild life.
Sediment transport is also changed.
At least on the Columbia there aren't huge reservoirs except Lake Roosevelt and Lake Okanogan.
If the designers of the dam are careful much of the impact to the environment can be minimized but in most cases dams were slapped wherever was convenient so in a lot of cases the original landscape has been changed.
Wetlands will regenerate themselves in new suitable locations created by a dam. Or, humans can create new wetlands areas if they feel it necessary to replace any that are lost.
Wildlife will adapt to the new oxygen levels - either by finding more suitable locations to live, or just dealing with it. Some wildlife thrives in lakes, some doesn't. If a new lake is artificially created, then the wildlife that thrives on rivers will go upstream or downstream to water that moves, and the wildlife that thrives in lakes will move in.
Sediment transport doesn't really matter.

My point is, the entire natural ecosystem is very adaptable. No matter what we do with dams, nature will adapt. We make an impact whenever we build anything, but that doesn't mean nature won't find a way to survive despite it.

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That's not a truly fair comparison.
Its hard to differentiate deaths from cancer to deaths caused decades later due to cancer from radiation exposure.
No one is guaranteed to live to be a 100 so I don't know why people complain when they are still breathing here and now.
That's all the more you can hope for.
If it's hard to figure out whether any cancer was created because of nuclear power, then why does it matter? If it's not statistically significant, then it doesn't have a significant effect on our lives.
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When nuclear power is mentioned the "people" are always freaking out about it. Really, during the time the world has seen nuclear power become a source of energy, there has not been many MAJOR incidents. (obviously chernobyl stands out)

The vast improvements in nuclear technology has minimised the risk of danger considerably as others have said. and at this rate it will be viable to use well into the future

What happend in Japan sucks big time, but to be fair you cant really be prepaired for both a tsunami AND an earthquake in such a magnitude, after all it is nature.

To those saying that they should have been prepaird for both at the same time.... tusnamis are caused by earthquakes yes but usually the earthquake is alot futher away from the mainland, unfortunatley for japan the earthquake was close enough and strong enough to cause a whole lot of damage by itself, let alone the wall of water that followed.



Nature is hating on humans atm rolleyes.gif
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Wetlands will regenerate themselves in new suitable locations created by a dam. Or, humans can create new wetlands areas if they feel it necessary to replace any that are lost.
Wildlife will adapt to the new oxygen levels - either by finding more suitable locations to live, or just dealing with it. Some wildlife thrives in lakes, some doesn't. If a new lake is artificially created, then the wildlife that thrives on rivers will go upstream or downstream to water that moves, and the wildlife that thrives in lakes will move in.
Sediment transport doesn't really matter.
My point is, the entire natural ecosystem is very adaptable. No matter what we do with dams, nature will adapt. We make an impact whenever we build anything, but that doesn't mean nature won't find a way to survive despite it.
If it's hard to figure out whether any cancer was created because of nuclear power, then why does it matter? If it's not statistically significant, then it doesn't have a significant effect on our lives.

Actually, salmon do not adapt to environmental changes in the general sense. If they cannot get back to the place they spawned, they will not reproduce. If their young cannot live due to low oxygen levels, they will then die, and you basically lost an entire generation of salmon.

Nature adapts over hundreds of years, you can't build a dam and expect things to be back to normal in 3 months.
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Wetlands will regenerate themselves in new suitable locations created by a dam. Or, humans can create new wetlands areas if they feel it necessary to replace any that are lost.
Wildlife will adapt to the new oxygen levels - either by finding more suitable locations to live, or just dealing with it. Some wildlife thrives in lakes, some doesn't. If a new lake is artificially created, then the wildlife that thrives on rivers will go upstream or downstream to water that moves, and the wildlife that thrives in lakes will move in.
Sediment transport doesn't really matter.
My point is, the entire natural ecosystem is very adaptable. No matter what we do with dams, nature will adapt. We make an impact whenever we build anything, but that doesn't mean nature won't find a way to survive despite it.
If it's hard to figure out whether any cancer was created because of nuclear power, then why does it matter? If it's not statistically significant, then it doesn't have a significant effect on our lives.

What I meant about the fair comparison is that it is hard to find solid published studies showing a link so its not fair to call someone out when there is a lack of good evidence.

Also wetlands often don't return and the unique nature of them means they take decades to develop.
In the meantime all the animals have left.
Plus there is almost a guarantee that wetlands won't come back because the low areas have flooded.
That leaves sloped valleys that cant form wetlands.
Most mature valleys have this profile.

Almost all you have said is incorrect.
If you don't have an environmental background please don't comment on things you don't understand.

I find your general lack of regard for the environment disturbing.
I can see why there are so many environmental disasters around the world if this is how people think.
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@lordikon:sadly no!the lesser of todays evil is probably nuclear,we need to find new ways to cool nuclear reactor and ugrade older technology. i am pretty sure it is doable!they find new ways to cool food in reefer all the time, i dont see why they couldnt do the same in todays nuclear reactor!especially now with the advent of electric cars!we can bet the energy needed for cars alone will be insanelly huge!
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Nuclear may have few accidents, but even one can cause enough damage that the world feels it. If there is an accident, you can cover a continent in radioactive fallout and leave a scar on the earth that will outlast humans.
I'm not against nuclear power, but I wish people would stop claiming it's the alternate energy source that is going to save us. Nuclear has (very) heavy risks and costs associated with it. Just because major issues are rare, doesn't mean that don't happen.


Finally someone who makes sense.

 

Also on the subject of contingency planning. Fukashima designers knew about the risks but tsunamis in the area have happened in such a long time they assumed it was safe. Sadly if you dug back far enough, the area has suffered its fair share of devestating tsunamis in the past. 

 

 
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