Originally Posted by formula m
OK... (imo) Android is an entertainment device first, phone and personal device second... thus a TOY.
Android doesn't sell based on how integrated or smooth everything is, or how seamless the transition from a application to application, or even cut & paste, etc. Android sells, because mahjong tiles on a screen represent the epitome of dumbing down the human race. The least common denominator for ******* included. (A Commodore AMIGA WorkBench4.0 phone, would be light years ahead of Android...lol)
These phones are throw-away, not meant for use for more than a few years. Why else would Google make it so hard to upgrade your Android device..? Heck, the last 2 times I took my phone in, they "had a problem" and erased all my data/texts/etc.. Poor kid at the store didn't think it was a big deal until my lawyer went back the next week for an affidavit. I conduct business on my phone & sprint is liable for their dmg.. even though Android is not their POS (which they blamed), they are the ones left dealing with the unprofessional after-math.
RIM, Apple & Microsoft <-- never had data loss upgrading the OS.
Not a toy...?
Case-n-point; @ B-dubs the other day and a friend picked up my phone and said.. No Angry Birds, No Crosswords with friends....? I said I am not 12 anymore..
He's 40.. and plays with his kids. How quaint!
Lastly, everything my OS at home does... my phone should be able to do (just smaller screen)..
I don't think a working professional needs to have to flush-out their OS by having to buy Apps to complete their OS. The basic low-brow interface is meant for monkey's. Menus change depending on what App you use, etc.. nothing is fluent. When I buy a $400 phone, I expect it to be complete, with possible updates a few times a year. ..
Rooting implies you have to "toy around" with your phone. It also means the phone did not come exactly how you wanted it/or how you intend to use it. The mere fact that I refuse to root my phone shows how little you understand about how "toyish" Android is. You literally suggested I have no idea how my phones works & havn't unlocked it's full potential until I root it... <-- unprofessional
I did all my hacking in the late 80's.. and don't need to pretend to be "different" and root a phone to get functionality.. I just throw money elsewhere, at devices that works out of the box. If you cannot afford that peace of mind, then buy a lesser device and toy with it.. to get the functionality that many demand out of the box. Google has dumb-down the entire industry and has now made SmarPhones a CASH COW (after you buy the phone.)
Sorry, but there are a million Browser games I can play for free on a working Internet Browser, why by an app again..? Oh yeah, Android limits their browsers, then tries to get millions of people supplements them with $Apps... lol
If you want to buy buy Apps for entertainment, movies etc on your phone, I will not judge, but don't kid yourself either...
I would argue that for my android system, my widgets allow everything to be well integrated. Everything I need is right on the home screen, so no need to run different apps and move all over the place to do nearly everything I want it to. How smooth something is is definitely NOT integral to making a device NOT a toy. Your logic doesn't make sense there. Wouldn't a toy be shown as smooth, to market the wow factor for how cool it looks when you use it? I also don't see an issue with android cut and paste on my phone. No idea why you're even bringing that up. iOS didn't have it at first, and WP7 didn't either. The current implementation works just fine on android.
Devices nowadays aren't meant to be used more than a few years, and even so, nothing's stopping you from using it for more than a few years if you wanted to. I haven't had an issue with upgrading my Android device either. The people at the Sprint store having problems is because of their incompetence. I've seen enough of them to know almost all of them have no idea what they're doing. They use erasing all data as a fix-all technique, when in fact, it doesn't really fix it all. I don't see how the store techs being terrible means that android is a throw-away device. Besides, if the information on your phone is so crucial to your business, maybe you should've learned after the first time that you should tell them to not erase your information. I think you overreacted bringing your lawyer into this when you should've picked up on it.
I hope you realize that one of your friends doing that is not very good proof of your argument. Also, everything you say can be said about iOS too. In fact, if you're gonna use your friends as an example, nearly everyone I know that has an iOS device plays games on it almost all of the time. Everyone I know that has a blackberry just texts on it all the time. Everyone I know that has a windows phone or android phone just uses it to post on facebook or another social network. Not sure why you brought up your friend as a clincher for your argument, but everyone has different friends, and each friend is different. Besides, those games you mentioned came out first on iOS. Angry Birds is also out on blackberry phones (with touch screens I'm assuming) and WP7. WP7 even has xbox live integration. Does that mean it's only meant to be a toy? I would say probably not. I even know someone that has a blackberry storm and he plays games with his kids on it. There's nothing wrong with playing games with your kids. Maybe you're one of those guys that thinks having fun with your kids is not the father's business.
My phone does everything my computer can do, so not sure what you're talking about with having to buy apps to complete the OS. I have never bought an app for my android phone, and it does everything I want it to do, just using FREE apps. Any desktop OS is the same. You need to use other programs to completely operating system. Doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune getting these programs, but even a desktop OS is not "complete" when you first get it.
Rooting doesn't imply you have to "toy around" with your phone. Rooting is also not required. Also, for the crowd that does root their android phones, no phone will come exactly how they wanted it. Most people root because they can, and it gives them freedom to do whatever they want with their phones, like reinstalling their ROM or whatever. In no way is this required. Rooting isn't hacking either. No need to sensationalize a simple process.
No idea why you're talking about people wanting to be "different" with their phone, since that's not marketing android uses. That's marketing Apple uses. Your arguments make a very weak point as to how google has dumbed down the entire industry. Google hasn't made smartphones a "CASH COW." Apple has. Look at the average on number of apps downloaded for android devices and for ios devices. Aren't there purchasable apps on WP7 and blackberry as well?
Also, what's so limited about Android browsers? In addition, if you're unhappy with the stock browser, a free browser you want to get can solve it. WP7 and iOS don't even support flash in their browsers, right? Assuming those "million browser games" you play on a browser are flash games, I can play flash games on an android device too.
It's ironic you said you won't judge someone for wanting to buy apps for entertainment and movies on their phone. You clearly judged your "friend" for wanting apps for games on his phone.
You seem to be extremely bitter over android. Seriously, given your "arguments" you seem to have limited yourself to not using anything made in the last 5 years or so. All of the stuff out now wouldn't work for you, it seems. Sure, I like my old windows mobile phone for the kind of things I could do with it, but there's nothing out nowadays that is the same anymore, and I think android presents the best alternative to the old, more productive phone I had. Android's not perfect, but neither is anything else out there.
Try calming down a bit and seeing the whole picture, alright?