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I would argue that for my android system, my widgets allow everything to be well integrated. Everything I need is right on the home screen, so no need to run different apps and move all over the place to do nearly everything I want it to. How smooth something is is definitely NOT integral to making a device NOT a toy. Your logic doesn't make sense there. Wouldn't a toy be shown as smooth, to market the wow factor for how cool it looks when you use it? I also don't see an issue with android cut and paste on my phone. No idea why you're even bringing that up. iOS didn't have it at first, and WP7 didn't either. The current implementation works just fine on android.
Devices nowadays aren't meant to be used more than a few years, and even so, nothing's stopping you from using it for more than a few years if you wanted to. I haven't had an issue with upgrading my Android device either. The people at the Sprint store having problems is because of their incompetence. I've seen enough of them to know almost all of them have no idea what they're doing. They use erasing all data as a fix-all technique, when in fact, it doesn't really fix it all. I don't see how the store techs being terrible means that android is a throw-away device. Besides, if the information on your phone is so crucial to your business, maybe you should've learned after the first time that you should tell them to not erase your information. I think you overreacted bringing your lawyer into this when you should've picked up on it.
I hope you realize that one of your friends doing that is not very good proof of your argument. Also, everything you say can be said about iOS too. In fact, if you're gonna use your friends as an example, nearly everyone I know that has an iOS device plays games on it almost all of the time. Everyone I know that has a blackberry just texts on it all the time. Everyone I know that has a windows phone or android phone just uses it to post on facebook or another social network. Not sure why you brought up your friend as a clincher for your argument, but everyone has different friends, and each friend is different. Besides, those games you mentioned came out first on iOS. Angry Birds is also out on blackberry phones (with touch screens I'm assuming) and WP7. WP7 even has xbox live integration. Does that mean it's only meant to be a toy? I would say probably not. I even know someone that has a blackberry storm and he plays games with his kids on it. There's nothing wrong with playing games with your kids. Maybe you're one of those guys that thinks having fun with your kids is not the father's business.
My phone does everything my computer can do, so not sure what you're talking about with having to buy apps to complete the OS. I have never bought an app for my android phone, and it does everything I want it to do, just using FREE apps. Any desktop OS is the same. You need to use other programs to completely operating system. Doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune getting these programs, but even a desktop OS is not "complete" when you first get it.
Rooting doesn't imply you have to "toy around" with your phone. Rooting is also not required. Also, for the crowd that does root their android phones, no phone will come exactly how they wanted it. Most people root because they can, and it gives them freedom to do whatever they want with their phones, like reinstalling their ROM or whatever. In no way is this required. Rooting isn't hacking either. No need to sensationalize a simple process.
No idea why you're talking about people wanting to be "different" with their phone, since that's not marketing android uses. That's marketing Apple uses. Your arguments make a very weak point as to how google has dumbed down the entire industry. Google hasn't made smartphones a "CASH COW." Apple has. Look at the average on number of apps downloaded for android devices and for ios devices. Aren't there purchasable apps on WP7 and blackberry as well?
Also, what's so limited about Android browsers? In addition, if you're unhappy with the stock browser, a free browser you want to get can solve it. WP7 and iOS don't even support flash in their browsers, right? Assuming those "million browser games" you play on a browser are flash games, I can play flash games on an android device too.
It's ironic you said you won't judge someone for wanting to buy apps for entertainment and movies on their phone. You clearly judged your "friend" for wanting apps for games on his phone.
You seem to be extremely bitter over android. Seriously, given your "arguments" you seem to have limited yourself to not using anything made in the last 5 years or so. All of the stuff out now wouldn't work for you, it seems. Sure, I like my old windows mobile phone for the kind of things I could do with it, but there's nothing out nowadays that is the same anymore, and I think android presents the best alternative to the old, more productive phone I had. Android's not perfect, but neither is anything else out there.
Try calming down a bit and seeing the whole picture, alright?
I mostly agree with this. Well said.

Except I would say one thing--while rooting+rom is not required, my poor experience with my phone did require that in order to get the performance I was expecting (namely not crashing or freezing--I'm pretty low maintenance in general when it comes to expectations). But that's a product of the phone manufacturer and how they choose to implement the OS--not of Android itself. That's one of the reasons why the many 3rd party ROMs available are frequently more stable and better to use--there's less clutter and bloat.
    
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I mostly agree with this. Well said.
Except I would say one thing--while rooting+rom is not required, my poor experience with my phone did require that in order to get the performance I was expecting (namely not crashing or freezing--I'm pretty low maintenance in general when it comes to expectations). But that's a product of the phone manufacturer and how they choose to implement the OS--not of Android itself. That's one of the reasons why the many 3rd party ROMs available are frequently more stable and better to use--there's less clutter and bloat.

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What kind of phone do/did you have?
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OK...  (imo)  Android is an entertainment device first, phone and personal device second... thus a TOY.


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Uhm, no. Android works as a device how you want it to be, and not simply limited to being a "toy" built for entertainment. Has Google marketed Android as such? No! Most of the ads tout Android to be a powerful, multitasking-centric platform that enables people to be productive - see the DROID DOES and Nexus advertisements.

And are you accusing Google for not handling OS updates? You should blame the hardware OEMs and especially the carriers for withholding updates. If you want to stay current, then buy a Nexus device, where its updates are pushed directly from Google's servers to your phone via OTA. And regarding data loss, you should know that Android has the option of wiping data and performing a factory reset - which is the same as any other mobile platform, really.

Again, you make Android how you want to be. In my case, my phone has only 1-2 games in it, while my tablet holds the brunt of the games, emulators and media (music, movies) because I wanted it to be an entertainment center. My phone is used only for the basics, so you would see mine with only a handful of downloaded apps and most that I use come with the phone: the stock Google apps.

Yes, Android should be able to do most of the functions you can perform on a PC. It has full access to the file system like Windows Explorer, can perform cut/copy/paste/zip/encrypt operations, and can support most formats like MS Office documents, video codecs, and more. Your argument about apps again is rather perplexing: every mobile OS uses apps for added functionality. Back then when iOS did not have an app store, it was limited to the basics: a calculator, weather/stocks, calendar, for example. How did iOS become wildly successful? A large chunk would say it's because of apps. Same for WP7; people clamor for more apps for them to consider using the OS. Why is Android any different, then? Tell me.

Rooting is merely a choice a user has to make, if he/she wants to not be confined within the limits of the OEM/carrier's restrictions. If the device is good as it is, then rooting isn't necessary to enjoy Android. The fact that YOU have the power to usurp control from the OEM manufacturer and carrier just shows how open-ended Android can be and there's nothing stopping you from doing things you want to the platform.

Funny thing is, most of iOS jailbreakers hack their phone specifically to get rid of the limitations set forth by Apple, and more amusingly enough most of those sought-for functions are already inherent in stock Android. Some examples include homescreen customization, a fully-functional file system, and support for more formats besides the ones supported by iTunes.

Root users just enable them to get even more out of their Android phones, with low-level editing other mobile platforms could only dream of giving access. Want to set the voltage of the battery? Downclock the processor to save power? Set the phone to perform a very specific function when triggered by a highly specific state (i.e. set an alarm with a specific ringtone when the phone's location is in a particular GPS location)? Android could do that for you.
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I love all mobile OSes and I believe each has their own pros and cons. I had an iPhone 4 the beginning of last year, switched over to a Galaxy S and now to a Lumia 800. Am I weird?

Android: powerful
iOS: refined
WP7: new and fresh

I like them all.
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What kind of phone do/did you have?

Crappy virgin mobile. LG Optimus (V). The stock rom was so buggy and bloated, also crappy battery life. Rooted+rom turned it into what a stock rom ought to be--functional and not a resource/battery hog. Happy with it now. thumb.gif
    
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There was a recent app that gave this similar functionality. "Widgets on the homescreen" Not sure if that's what you're asking though.

Do you happen to remember the name of this app? I can't seem to find it, but would love to give it a try.
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Crappy virgin mobile. LG Optimus (V). The stock rom was so buggy and bloated, also crappy battery life. Rooted+rom turned it into what a stock rom ought to be--functional and not a resource/battery hog. Happy with it now. thumb.gif

Glad it worked out for you thumb.gif

back to what we were talking about earlier, it's good to have the option to root, since if the device isn't what you want it to be in the end, you have the option to change it smile.gif
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Crappy virgin mobile. LG Optimus (V). The stock rom was so buggy and bloated, also crappy battery life. Rooted+rom turned it into what a stock rom ought to be--functional and not a resource/battery hog. Happy with it now. thumb.gif

Wow, you're still rocking the Optimus V? Yeah, Android tends to not perform well in lower-spec phones, but at least thanks to the dev community the ROMs that came out for it are very usable and much smoother than stock. You should upgrade this year, because the One X and the SGS III look mighty tempting.
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Glad it worked out for you thumb.gif
back to what we were talking about earlier, it's good to have the option to root, since if the device isn't what you want it to be in the end, you have the option to change it smile.gif

Yeah. I think I'm thankful that there are smart people who can make ROMs, especially when the OEMs for the handsets can't seem to get them right. smile.gif
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Wow, you're still rocking the Optimus V? Yeah, Android tends to not perform well in lower-spec phones, but at least thanks to the dev community the ROMs than came out for it are very usable and much smoother than stock. You should upgrade this year, because the One X and the SGS III look mighty tempting.

LOL, tell me about it. Alas, with the poor handset options for Virgin Mobile, the optimus is still one of the better options.

I think the Moto Triumph is the most powerful phone that VM offers at the moment, and it's still only a 1ghz single core. I am constantly debating whether the $25 I pay a month is properly balanced by the poor hardware options. So far it is...wonder if WP will ever come to VM.
    
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Yeah. I think I'm thankful that there are smart people who can make ROMs, especially when the OEMs for the handsets can't seem to get them right. smile.gif
LOL, tell me about it. Alas, with the poor handset options for Virgin Mobile, the optimus is still one of the better options.

I think the Moto Triumph is the most powerful phone that VM offers at the moment, and it's still only a 1ghz single core. I am constantly debating whether the $25 I pay a month is properly balanced by the poor hardware options. So far it is...wonder if WP will ever come to VM.

There's always a saying about Android devs: "XDA - doing the OEM's jobs since 2008" tongue.gif

Shame your carrier supports a rather measly selection of phones. If Android devices offered only have the Triumph as the "flagship" of the carrier, then I highly doubt it will ever stock WP7 ones. frown.gif
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