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There's always a saying about Android devs: "XDA - doing the OEM's jobs since 2008" tongue.gif
Shame your carrier supports a rather measly selection of phones. If Android devices offered only have the Triumph as the "flagship" of the carrier, then I highly doubt it will ever stock WP7 ones. frown.gif

LOL. Yeah, XDA is awesome. VM sucks for hardware. I have come to accept both of these as fact and reality.
    
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Why hate on a mobile OS at all? Waste of ones time IMO. Use what you like.

They are all clearly a good OS, as they all have fanboys.

The only problem I see for WP7 is that is has a lot of catching up to do in market share. iOS and Android have been dominating the market for a long time now.
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Has anyone considered that most of the android users are a bit more "hardware-type-guys?" and there for they expect or knowmo re about the OS... I mean, my mom i think would use an Iphone without a problem.. but might have trouble understanding the Android. But I would enjoy the android more just because I would know how to use it at its best ... or something like that.

No.

I actually try to force stuff on my parents that makes them learn about this stuff. No sense in them being stuck behind the majority when it comes to tech-savvy. Plus I am always trying to introduce something new for them to learn. Staying stagnant with your thinking makes your brain rot. Always gotta have something new.
 
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There's always a saying about Android devs: "XDA - doing the OEM's jobs since 2008" tongue.gif
Shame your carrier supports a rather measly selection of phones. If Android devices offered only have the Triumph as the "flagship" of the carrier, then I highly doubt it will ever stock WP7 ones. frown.gif

Needless to say.. no matter what Android phone you buy, next year you will have to "toy" with it, to get the OS/device working properly. Nearly everyone I spoke with in ernest today, has problems with their phones... while a few of the "whiper-snappers" said why don't you just root the phone..?

Embarrassed for them, I told'em it wasn't in the contract & isn't expected of me... just to get the service & functionality I am paying for. He almost seemed purplexed (given what he knows about me & programming) & rebuttaled "rooting isn't too hard to do.."

I asked: "Can u tell me why it has to be done at all...?"
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Needless to say.. no matter what Android phone you buy, next year you will have to "toy" with it, to get the OS/device working properly. Nearly everyone I spoke with in ernest today, has problems with their phones... while a few of the "whiper-snappers" said why don't you just root the phone..?
Embarrassed for them, I told'em it wasn't in the contract & isn't expected of me... just to get the service & functionality I am paying for. He almost seemed purplexed (given what he knows about me & programming) & rebuttaled "rooting isn't too hard to do.."
I asked: "Can u tell me why it has to be done at all...?"

Rooting may be more of a necessity in some low-end, budget phones with underpowered hardware, but it's an option in the higher-end ones. For example, the Galaxy S II is perfectly fine with TouchWiz 4.0, and if you really want pure stock, then try the Galaxy Nexus.
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Needless to say.. no matter what Android phone you buy, next year you will have to "toy" with it, to get the OS/device working properly. Nearly everyone I spoke with in ernest today, has problems with their phones... while a few of the "whiper-snappers" said why don't you just root the phone..?
Embarrassed for them, I told'em it wasn't in the contract & isn't expected of me... just to get the service & functionality I am paying for. He almost seemed purplexed (given what he knows about me & programming) & rebuttaled "rooting isn't too hard to do.."
I asked: "Can u tell me why it has to be done at all...?"

Man, that is like complaining about being able to overclock your CPU. Why the heck would you complain about having options? Don't try to say that you "have" to root an Android phone to make it functional, that is like saying that Windows 7 sucks because some of the hardware that runs it sucks.
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No I dislike Android because its a fragmented platform with a lack of focus and before you say anything about my knowledge of technology, I'm a computer engineering major who loves technology. Honestly, the only people who are die-hard Android fans are those that own high-end handsets like SGS, Nexus, Droid 4 etc. People like my sister, mother, cousin who own cheap Android phones do so as a point of entry.
For the majority of users, WP7 and iOS are more than enough which is why they rank higher than Android in customer satisfaction.
If I wanted an exercise in savvyness, then I have a computer that's infinitely more versatile and powerful than Android.
FYI: I don't believe installing custom ROMs constitutes savvy-ness when there are simple, step-by-step, guides on youtube and the internet.

WP7 and iOS rank higher then Android in customer satisfaction because there are many different handsets running Android, and that raises the chances of people having a lesser experience, that simple. Do you talk crap about Windows because HP has made crappy laptops in the past?

So some die-hard Android fans buy high end hardware to run it on, what is your point? Is there something bad about having the option to get your favorite mobile OS on the fastest and latest hardware?
    
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Man, that is like complaining about being able to overclock your CPU. Why the heck would you complain about having options? Don't try to say that you "have" to root an Android phone to make it functional, that is like saying that Windows 7 sucks because some of the hardware that runs it sucks.

But that's not what they're saying. The synonymous example would be like buying a computer that advertises spec's and programs that you need to accomplish your work, but then when you get it home you find that it encounters numerous BSODs, or programs are not compatible, or it's not quite fast enough because of bloat, and that you feel you have to mod the crap out of it just to get it to do what you want.

jjsoviet brought up the important point--it has more to do with the hardware or specific model of phone than being a universal Android "problem." My experiences with android hardware would absolutely corroborate that. And it's not "android" but rather the specific entity that is licensing and deploying it. It's like saying that "linux sucks" when it just comes down to the specific distro you're using that has issues.

I think what people don't see is that it comes down to a difference in expectation. There are people like you and I that are willing to "put up with" the various quirks that we encounter with various android devices in order to have a smartphone that is an alternative to iphone or (of the past) blackberry--or are fine to root + flash it and it doesn't bother us. But not everyone feels that way. People are absolutely entitled to higher expectations. I can honestly understand someone getting upset at their android phone that doesn't perform to the level they expect it to out of the box.

We might think that's silly or unreasonable or unrealistic, but it's still their right to feel that way, and I support their right regardless of how differently I personally feel. I know if I were a high-performance business person that was constantly on the go and relied on my phone to be dependable, to accomplish work with, and to not have quirks, I would honestly not choose an Android device. I don't know what I would choose, but it wouldn't be that. That being said, I don't think android devices are generally marketed as a businessperson's device.

For what I do now, I'm perfectly happy to be able to have an android smartphone--even one as low end as mine--and flash a custom rom to get the performance that I would have expected at stock. Not everyone feels the same way, and there's no reason to convince them otherwise. Especially if you pay for a phone out of contract, for upwards of $600, I would expect a device that expensive to perform properly. My laptop does, and it was around $600. Why shouldn't a phone. That being said, I would never spend $600 of my own money on a phone.

On that note, I also think it's unreasonable to brand an entire generic OS as crap simply because the device you were using that ran it had problems. That's just ignorance.

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I was at the local ms store doing the windows phone challenge and I must say i was very impressed with the smoothness and simplicity of the windows handsets. Much better than androids jerkiness. Can't wait to get my htc Titan hehe
    
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me i got anvexibit 2 4g and this is my last smartphone next illbuse window and a cell card no more issue
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I would argue that for my android system, my widgets allow everything to be well integrated. Everything I need is right on the home screen, so no need to run different apps and move all over the place to do nearly everything I want it to. How smooth something is is definitely NOT integral to making a device NOT a toy.



I am discussing this on a much deeper study, than you are TRYING to argue against.

 

 

It was from app to app, simple features are not standardized across those apps. It is a piecemeal system..  open source OS and it shows. It might be phun & kewl for other people to maximize what they have... & show it off to others (sub culture), but I've noticed most of you cling to your phones because they ARE you. I use a phone because it is utilitarian.

 

Tonal quality, button quality, cheap jacks in phones are going down in favor of non-communication focused features. They are now more about fashion and marketing, than engineering and manufacturing. I'd easily buy a $800 phone, if they had features like the ones in Japan, where their "dumb-phones" have HDTV tuners & you can even just listen to television, etc..  nothing to stream, no bandwidth!!!  (free)

 

Google phones brought in the era of cheaply made phones! Now the market is saturated by them. Android phones are trying to catch up to iPhones with the likes of the new Galaxy, or HTC X, etc. But in the end the Nokia's & iPhone 5's will have better build quality to them. But that doesn't matter to "generation yesterday", they buy the next cheap fad when it shown to them on television, right?

 

Don't fret, I was a sucker too...

 

 

 

 

Note 4 whom asked:

I had maintained 2 private/personal phones & one business (3 total) until just recently. Was looking to go down to one phone, but will not be able to do so, until Verizon carries the new Win Phones. I have already used a friend's phone during an all day event and the respectable ease of use and quality feel in the OS. I had no hurdles, or obstacles.. no damn stuttering either!

 

 

 

Chrono..  you went off in the wrong direction.Have no idea who posed those questions to you, etc. ICS is nice, (or "nicer"), but it didn't add value to the OS, just made it easier & nicer to get ahold of the app store. Also the smoothness of the phone typically implies better software engineering. Have you even navigated a new WinPhone..?  (bet not!)


Edited by formula m - 4/2/12 at 11:15pm
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